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Why is Facism the worst? (from an American perspective)

I am incapable of having a discussion with you because YOU set the rules. You set the context. It is akin to trying to play a game of chess with you in which you have complete control over the rules and I have no say in the matter.

Again, go fuck yourself.

I was posting info about the issue and then you came into the thread and started accusing me of trying to confuse the issue....its all there in black and white further up this page

You came into the other thread and started attacking me as well

I'm just posting info. I post articles, quotes, interviews etc. If you disagree with the info you can make your case for why you think its false or you can ignore it; but you don't do that...you go on the offensive...you attack me personally for daring to say something that you don't like

The problem is that you don't like me....its personal

That's another difference between me and you. I listen to EVERYONE. I see anyone as a potential teacher that i can learn something from including people i don't like

I've noticed this with some people though that they won't listen to a person they don't like. They will discount anything that person has to say simply because they don't like them. I don't think thats a good approach though in life if gaining greater insight is a persons aim
 
No because i am one of millions of people discussing this stuff online in what the cabal insider Bzrezinski is calling a massed awakening of political consciousness

Besides if they wanted to destroy all evidence of what i've said they would have to kill you too as you also now know

Millions of people all saying the same stuff...
Sounds like expensive social marketing.

:p
 
I was posting info about the issue and then you came into the thread and started accusing me of trying to confuse the issue....its all there in black and white further up this page

You came into the other thread and started attacking me as well

I'm just posting info. I post articles, quotes, interviews etc. If you disagree with the info you can make your case for why you think its false or you can ignore it; but you don't do that...you go on the offensive...you attack me personally for daring to say something that you don't like

The problem is that you don't like me....its personal

That's another difference between me and you. I listen to EVERYONE. I see anyone as a potential teacher that i can learn something from including people i don't like

I've noticed this with some people though that they won't listen to a person they don't like. They will discount anything that person has to say simply because they don't like them. I don't think thats a good approach though in life if gaining greater insight is a persons aim

You can quibble all you want and cherry pick all you like, but you do not deal fairly with other people. I have already learned from past instances that you are impossible to deal fairly with. You REFUSE and continue to REFUSE the hypothetical possibility that you COULD be mistaken and consider the POSSIBILITY of other people's perspectives.

I have, in the past, tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but no more. Go. Fuck. Yourself.
 
You can quibble all you want and cherry pick all you like, but you do not deal fairly with other people. I have already learned from past instances that you are impossible to deal fairly with. You REFUSE and continue to REFUSE the hypothetical possibility that you COULD be mistaken and consider the POSSIBILITY of other people's perspectives.

I have, in the past, tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but no more. Go. Fuck. Yourself.

That's not true i have spoken repeatedly about how i see the process that i and everyone else is going on as a process of evolving perceptions

My perceptions are evolving the same as everyone else

Are you sore at the santa claus comment? You should look back and see that you cast the first rock

If you want to discuss one of these topics with me i'm happy to do that. If i agree with you i will rep you as i have done, if i disagree with you i might ignore the post or i will explain why i think you are mistaken

If you believe me to be mistaken on something then explain it to me. You think i was born with the views i have? I learned them and my understanding is growing all the time. I'm always looking for more info. if you have some info regarding what i've said i'd like to know and it can help evolve my perceptions

If i don't agree with it though then i will say so in no uncertain terms
 
Ok all i ask is that you give it a fair hearing

If you don't want a reply post from someone knowing that they disagree with you, then perhaps you shouldn't try and provoke a response from them?

You can say what you like. But other people have the right to disagree with you


You are such a disgusting hypocrite. Go fuck yourself.
 
[mods]again, people, we've told you before - keep it civil. If you cannot, you will be infracted and/or banned.[/mods]
 
I've heard this argument, but it's wrong... I think it's something that was started in the US by people who hate Obama and want to associate public health care with Nazism... I highly doubt that any serious political scientists would accept the idea that fascism is left wing.

The way I understand it, right wingers believe in survival of the fittest and left wingers believe in absolute equality... racism, sexism and the master race are ideas that are far more in line with the right than with the left. Dictatorships/government control is definitely not an exclusively left-wing phenomenon.

I would agree that fascism is probably considered the worst because of WWII... Nazism (most people mean Nazism when they use the word 'fascism') also has a pretty resonant iconography and an aesthetic that has become synonymous with evil and suppression of individuality. Its rise also coincided with the rise of film, which made it easily identifiable for the masses... Genghis Khan was much worse than Hitler, but nobody knows what he sounded like or really looked like, and very few people are willing to pick up a book and read about him. The third reich was also an exclusive society that openly celebrated racism, sexism, and militarism. It's pretty much the polar opposite of western liberal democracy and unlike monarchy, it didn't have a chance to morph into something benign and largely symbolic like the modern monarchy.

National Socialist German Workers' Party
 
Not sure why I'm being quoted in this response-- the article says Nazism was anti-Marxist and anti-liberal, as well as having its beginnings in right wing movements.

Left wing politics in the U.S. refers to policy's that increase government oversight and social policy. The socialist state is one where the government controls nearly all of the business in the state and dictates all social policy. By those standards the Nazi party was just a socialist party with heavy nationalist leanings.
 
Left wing politics in the U.S. refers to policy's that increase government oversight and social policy. The socialist state is one where the government controls nearly all of the business in the state and dictates all social policy. By those standards the Nazi party was just a socialist party with heavy nationalist leanings.

But what do people actually hate about the Nazis? Their health care and public works programs, or the whole Holocaust and invading most of Europe thing?
And which of these is a result of right wing nationalism and militarism as opposed to left wing 'socialist' policy?

And the right has plenty of opinions/laws regarding things like homosexuality and abortion... they're not at all about non-interference in civil rights issues.

And just in case you bring up gun control-- the Nazis actually eased their restrictions on gun control when they came to power:

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

The Treaty of Versailles made gun ownership in Germany difficult because they weren't supposed to be militarized-- which is why Nazi propaganda films have soldiers carrying shovels instead of guns. It's because they were forbidden... at least until Hitler came to power and made Germany a military power again.
 
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But what do people actually hate about the Nazis? Their health care and public works programs, or the whole Holocaust and invading most of Europe thing?
And which of these is a result of right wing nationalism and militarism as opposed to left wing 'socialist' policy?

And the right has plenty of opinions/laws regarding things like homosexuality and abortion... they're not at all about non-interference in civil rights issues.

And just in case you bring up gun control-- the Nazis actually eased their restrictions on gun control when they came to power:

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

The Treaty of Versailles made gun ownership in Germany difficult because they weren't supposed to be militarized-- which is why Nazi propaganda films have soldiers carrying shovels instead of guns. It's because they were forbidden... at least until Hitler came to power and made Germany a military power again.

You should read your own article it says that Hitler DID restrict gun ownership of the people he wanted to oppress for example the jews

The USA government, which is currently being controlled by the central bankers, is currently trying disarm the people it wants to oppress: the american people

The article says the jews wouldn't have been able to stop the nazis persecuting them even if they had weapons. That might be true becuase the jews were a tiny minority in germany at that time, although if i had been a jew in germany at that time i would still have wanted the option of being able to defend myself

The situation in the US is totally different because the US public is the majority made up of people of all faiths or non faith.

If you are a US soldier and you are ordered to arrest large numbers of your own population are you more likely to refuse the order if they are armed? I'd say yes

So this isn't about the public being able to defeat the US military....they don't need to defeat the military. They just need to dissuade most of the soldiers in the military from oppressing them

And many soldiers WILL REFUSE TO VIOLENTLY CONTROL THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN. Its worth baring in mind that revolutionaries are often ex soldiers

The weapons are a deterrent from the bankers trying to declare a national emergencey, impose martial law and then arrest and detain any political opponents (like hitler did)

If the weapons were taken off the public the banker cabal would tell sections of the military that they were to arrest certain people. But the soldiers being told to carry out the arrests would be told that the arrests were isolated incidents and that they were detaining ''terrorists''. However they would not be isloated incidents....they would be going on right across the US

This would be much harder and probably impossible if the citizens could create an armed stand off with the soldiers sent to arrest them as the soldiers WOULD NOT WANT TO OPEN FIRE ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE. This would lead to a questioning of orders, a stalling of the process and the truth would then go widely public that the arrests were extensive

The soldiers would realise they were being lied to and the whole situation would collapse leading to a backlash against the banking cabal from not only the citizens but also the betrayed and lied to soldiery
 
Left wing politics in the U.S. refers to policy's that increase government oversight and social policy. The socialist state is one where the government controls nearly all of the business in the state and dictates all social policy. By those standards the Nazi party was just a socialist party with heavy nationalist leanings.

There's a lot of missues of political terms. It has now got to the point where it is almost impossible to use any of these terms because no one agrees on their meaning anymore

This whole thing can be boiled down to something very simple though. Its best not to think about it in terms of ''left'' v's ''right'' or ''socialist'' v's ''capitalist''.

What it is in its most simple terms is a tension between those that want centralised power which would see a relative few people ruling over the rest v's those that want decentralisation of power which would allow all people to have a democratic say in the running of things

In a nutshell: centralised power v's decentralised power

So if you are a mindless drone who wishes to be a slave with no say, no privacy and no rights then support those that want to centralise power

If you have a brain, can think for yourself and want freedoms and rights then oppose those that want to centralise power

SIMPLE

Hitler was in the current that wants to centralise power. The bankers who run your ''federal reserve'' are in the same current. Both these groups want to disarm their enemies so that they can turn them into their slaves

SIMPLE
 
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