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Would a violent toppling of our governments still be a suitable/appropriate means of changing the position of the neglected and ignored in this day and age?

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No, but it wouldn't stop people from thinking/acting otherwise.
 
Is there any other way?
I only just discovered the save the world thread though :p
 
No, it would amplify the issue. Society needs a medium to operate through or it will be set back*. That does not stop people from wanting bloody revolution, though. If there was an easy fix, it probably would've been discovered by now. The question of authority is not new.

*I don't remember much about the French revolution from my history class, but I think that was an instance of national progress out of despotism. Maybe.
 
The danger with violence is that you become the monster that you are fighting and your revolution becomes corrupted from the start

Perhaps the best way is peaceful non cooperation

The country cannot run without the workers. If the workers do not work then everything grinds to a halt....not a single bullet fired

In order for this to work there needs to be enough awareness amongst the workers that they would be aware of such an option and that they might consider such an action and then there needs to be enough unity to coordinate such an effort and enough will to actually carry it out

Will can come with desperation and/or anger as the economic hardships deepen
Unity could coalesce quickly around the occupy movements
It just needs awareness and many people are still not able to see past the surface perception of 'it's just the way things are'

Once you have brought the system to a halt you need something to replace it with. There's no point having a set of demands as the ruling class will simply meet these demands to appease the workers before resuming their system under its coercive hierarchy

There needs to be a complete system change to one where the means of production are held in common ownership, the workers manage their own affairs and the ruling class no longer has the ability to dominate the majority
 
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The danger with violence is that you become the monster that you are fighting and your revolution becomes corrupted from the start

Perhaps the best way is peaceful non cooperation

The country cannot run without the workers. If the workers do not work then everything grinds to a halt....not a single bullet fired

In order for this to work there needs to be enough awareness amongst the workers that they would be aware of such an option and that they might consider such an action and then there needs to be enough unity to coordinate such an effort and enough will to actually carry it out

Will can come with desperation and/or anger as the economic hardships deepen
Unity could coalesce quickly around the occupy movements
It just needs awareness and many people are still not able to see past the surface perception of 'it's just the way things are'

Once you have brought the system to a halt you need something to replace it with. There's no point having a set of demands as the ruling class will simply meet these demands to appease the workers before resuming their system under its coercive hierarchy

There needs to be a complete system change to one where the means of production are held in common ownership, the workers manage their own affairs and the ruling class no longer has the ability to dominate the majority

Only problem is, most of those workers have already been laid off/fired while their jobs have shifted to India and China. Sneaky of them (rich people) to remove people from even the smallest areas of influence like that, no matter how insignificant they might have seemed, isn't it?
 
as a race of beings, humans have only known war and violence to get their point across. There are those with the power, and if you do not have power you will not over throw them...something like bombing the white house and congressional offices would do...but we would then be in caos, and we would be no better than the scum were trying to eliminate. you cannot meet violence with peace either, laying down in front of a bull dozer is still laying down, and that bull dozer would not even feel it if it ran over you. Essentially that is what our government does...steam rolls us all. and we lay down and take it. They are trying to take away our rights to bear arms(again) our rights to free information, and our rights to many other things. OUr government is trying to make this country a socialist society and its damn near succeeding...were the next ussr...And they fought back too...Unfortunately the only way we will ever see change is to change the way we do things, but the current government is never going to restructure...congress will never back down, and our president will always be bought and paid for by the oil barrons of the world. Until politics are not won by how much money you have, it will never change.
If we stood up and fought..wed be tazed off the white house lawn. Lazy america needs to get out from underneath that buldozer and find another way to turn it off. A march to the white house in large scale might get attention, but with no clear ruler, or demands, it will fizzle out just like the occupy movement. While i think it was a good idea in principal..in execution, it was poorly carried out. there was not a clear goal, or clear motives of the group. Big government needs to stop, and we need to get back to what the people want and need.
 
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Only problem is, most of those workers have already been laid off/fired while their jobs have shifted to India and China. Sneaky of them (rich people) to remove people from even the smallest areas of influence like that, no matter how insignificant they might have seemed, isn't it?

They're sneaky alright, but they have plenty of time to plot whilst we do all the work!

There are ways in which unemployed people can still protest. I think unity is the key and that means reconciling certain groups such as OWS and the Tea Party as well as the unions. The mainstream media will do its best to turn these groups against each other and to keep the wage slaves divided

At the moment various protest groups are uniting and organising. It takes time to build resistance and to be fair we've seen a lot happen pretty quickly!

I think more people will be radicalised as the austerity measures kick in. The government nearly overplayed their hand with SOPA though.....messing with the internet! That really will rile up the wage slaves! They risk open revolt with that one!