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The Weight of a Want

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This has become a point of contention in a few relationships of mine of late, and I'm curious as to everyone else's thoughts.

How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others
► vs. family
► vs. friends
► vs. society as a whole
Abstract and concrete examples are of course always welcome, as well as input as to the perceived impact on relationships as a whole.
 
Relationships and human interaction is too much for my brain, so here's my simple approach
How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others
Usually I try to prioritise my partners wishes (although it also depends on circumstance), and be a gentleman. However, she then tries to do the exact same thing and prioritise mine. Then it's a back and forth until one of us concedes to let one prioritise the other, which can take a while considering how stubborn we are heuheuh

How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. family
Depends on the family members in question. If it's my younger brother, then pft who cares about the little shits wishes, mine trumps his. If it was a younger cousin then I'm basically a slave to their cuteness until their youthful exuberance depletes my 'I can tolerate this' meter and I must retreat into my cave. Generally though I do almost always prioritise family over myself, as I have a particular emphasis on it and love them to death. In my opinion life isn't worth shit without family - be it blood, or those whom have earnt such a status. So one has to take care of them and do all they can.

Even if that includes my little brother of whom I must naturally hate and wish evil on

How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. friends
Honestly this one is the easiest, at least when considering this as a 'collective' (the scenario being I am with my group of mates).
We all prioritise our own wishes, except for a select few who are a bit more laid back, until finally a consensus is reached where we all partly win or get what it is we wanted. Cause democracy.

If it were to come down to me being alone with a friend, then I am more lenient towards prioritising them. Only due to the fact there are very, very few people with whom I am comfortable socialising with 1 on 1. Huzzah for introvertedness and erratic social anxiety.

How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. society as a whole
Lol fuck 'em
Twitter is basically 'society' condensed and concentrated
Twitter is a hellhole
Thus, society is hell
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
 
Relationships and human interaction is too much for my brain, so here's my simple approach

Usually I try to prioritise my partners wishes (although it also depends on circumstance), and be a gentleman. However, she then tries to do the exact same thing and prioritise mine. Then it's a back and forth until one of us concedes to let one prioritise the other, which can take a while considering how stubborn we are heuheuh..

Thank you for your reply. I understand the topic is a bit on the general side, but I sincerely appreciate your response, too.
I agree with you for the most part, but understanding a little on how others weigh their wants vs. that of others is a point of interest for me of late.

To inquire further, if I may;
in what circumstances would the wants of others immediately trump your own? S/O, family, society, etc.?
 
To inquire further, if I may;
in what circumstances would the wants of others immediately trump your own? S/O, family, society, etc.?
Well firstly I'd ask what you mean by 'wants'? As you said it is a bit of a general term, so there's a wide range to interpret

For something to take such precedence, whereby I'd essentially drop anything and everything if they needed it, would pretty much come down to the emotional (or perhaps even mortal) severity of the situation. For instance if I were to be in the midst of a serious assignment or project, to receive a call then I would immediately stall everything until I had answered the phone and understood what was going on. Although personally that's because those closest to me understand that I hate calls and to leave it for important matters. If I got a call from my best friend where she was crying her heart out and saying she needs to meet up ASAP, I'd be either in the car or on some mode of transport before I even understood wtf was happening.
A more concrete example would be at the beginning of this year where I had a call about a family member falling, and I was out the door before I even had the full details as to the severity. When it comes to those of whom I cherish and care for deeply - family (blood or not) and close friends - then some situations require immediate attention if you think even for a second it calls for it. Hindsight can end up being a bitch, otherwise. As it turns out, my immediate departure ended up being necessary; had I waited or stalled, events would have played out differently.

If it were something more simple such as material wants then again, it comes down to the situation and context. Minor things such as needing lifts, something picked up or bought etc just comes down to whether or not they're actually capable of doing it themselves, or if such acts detract too much from my plans/day.

Now in regards to society, it is pretty much a moralistic standpoint. As much as I like to rip on and talk shit about people, I wouldn't stand idly by if I was witness to a crime, or morally perverse situation, in the street (racism/violence/abuse etc). For myself its only these sorts of extremes that would make me forget all else and focus on 'society', or at least some random stranger. Otherwise I'm largely indifferent, or at least I am not so concerned as to take action and put myself into the situation. For the most part, I don't feel large indebted to it enough to feel like I am interfering in the affairs of another unless I believe it is called for.
Plus I'm a stubborn bastard so that plays into everything too
 
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Me ► vs. significant others
Me ► vs. family
Me ► vs. friends
Me ► vs. society as a whole

They'll just have to understand.

If I already care about the entire world, then the entire world should be okay that I put myself first, too.
 
How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others
:thonking:

► vs. family
I will sometimes win

► vs. friends
I always win

► vs. society as a whole
I always lose
 
How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others

I have none. When I do, my wants are fluid and shapeshifting. They're inconsequential in a sense, but not forgotten.

► vs. family

We negotiate. Sometimes violently.

► vs. friends

I have none in person.

► vs. society as a whole

The rules can be suspended at any time. Let's play the game nicely until then.​
 
How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others
Usually, theirs first.

► vs. family
About 50/50. Depends on the family member.

► vs. friends
Usually, mine first. (I think.)

► vs. society as a whole
Usually, mine first.
 
► vs. significant others
Usually, theirs first, but I ever will try to find a way to "meet in the middle". To find a conciliatory way if this my wish really matters. Unless if my "wishes" (between quotes cuz I think this case they aren't mere wishes) are attached to a moral value question. What is right, is right.

► vs. family
About 50/50. Depends on the family member. Same 'unless' above.

► vs. friends
Usually, mine first. (I think real friends understand, as I understand sometimes too)

► vs. society as a whole
Mine first.
 
This has become a point of contention in a few relationships of mine of late, and I'm curious as to everyone else's thoughts.

How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others
► vs. family
► vs. friends
► vs. society as a whole
Abstract and concrete examples are of course always welcome, as well as input as to the perceived impact on relationships as a whole.
In my experience in any relationship there is always a "dominant" personality that leads the relationship and takes control. That doesn't mean they always get their way or even that they make demands at all, it just seems to be the case that some people like to follow and others like to lead and usually people get in complementary relationships where there is one of each. It can happen where both people are equally passive or dominant but usually down the road that leads to a lot of issues. It might work for a while but if people can't find a way to balance the traits the relationship goes downhill. Passive people get paralyzed in decisions together and can't ever make up their mind and leaders get into arguments with each other trying to impose their will.

That being said, I think this is what dictates the balance of a relationship. Most of us have a global preference but we may also adapt in specific relationships.

I am a generally very dominant person so most of my friends are followers and enjoy for me to plan and make decisions and implement things. I do have some family relationships where the other person is dominant so I let them make decisions, I adapt. And I generally try to make people comfortable- that's my #1 concern when interacting with others is how do I most make this other person comfortable?

My sensory issues make it a bit hard for me to interact for long with others or in specific circumstances- if a place is too loud, too bright, if too many people are trying to talk to me and I can't focus on the same topic for long enough- and so, because I want to make others comfortable and I have a hard time demanding people behave a certain way to make me comfortable, I tend to just avoid those situations and will often withdraw from situations where my needs aren't being met instead of demanding they be met because it feels unreasonable.
 
How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others
Mine: 20 Theirs:80- for a long while, then I require time alone and it ends up closer to 50/50. I like the buildup and then the shift, so that the buildup can occur again.
► vs. family
Mine: 40, Theirs: 60- As I've gotten older, this is becoming more balanced, but I've experienced a lot of push-back for saying 'No' more recently. You find out rather quickly who is for you, and who is for themselves. It can be disheartening to realize that some people in your life only keep you around because you would tip-toe with tight lips. I don't do that anymore, and I won't risk losing the freedom to utilize my voice again.
► vs. friends
50/50 mostly- I still experience Fe 'obligation' guilt at times, but it is less glaring now that I've become aware that others simply don't worry about people-pleasing as much as I have most of my life, so I've begun to let that go, and to be content with what I need regardless of others.
► vs. society as a whole
50/50- Though, I used to be a workaholic, putting in far more hours than any of my colleagues or my boss. Part of it was due to perfectionistic tendency, and an inner competitive nature to out-do myself and others. The other part was the people-pleasing nature, Fe 'obligation', and not wishing to let anyone down.

Boundaries have helped in all of these areas. Though, as I've written in my blog, it is good to build your boundaries with a gate, and allow the most deserving more access to you. <3​
 
I've sat with this for a while and I don't think I can ever answer properly.
There are different percentages based around different spheres of things.
And shifts are always happening.

I will say that I give a good effort at 50-50 for anyone and everyone.
That is my general mindset in life. The debt I owe to my parents will never be repaid however.
I don't think in terms of a debt to society, other than to not make things worse which I think I'm doing alright with.
Sometimes I fail other people, sometimes they fail me.
Sometimes 50-50 isn't possible or practical.
I try not to lose sleep over it.
 
This has become a point of contention in a few relationships of mine of late, and I'm curious as to everyone else's thoughts.

How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
► vs. significant others
► vs. family
► vs. friends
► vs. society as a whole
Abstract and concrete examples are of course always welcome, as well as input as to the perceived impact on relationships as a whole.

50/50 for every group in question is often the goal, not that it's always achievable of course...
▶In a relationship, I've come to find if I'm not on top of what I need to do for myself, I can't prioritize their needs effectively. It feels like the load is only increasing and that breeds stress, and at that point I'm certain I'm a hinderance lol. One thing at a time.
▶Family...I am in a weird place with that right now. I'm adopted and getting to know my biological family better has opened my eyes to the fact that I am more like them in thinking than my adopted family. That blows my mind considering I went 29 years having never known them. I was placed in a very large family with a signifigant amount of dirty laundry and heated drama that spans for decades, think Soap Opera here lol. Mostly they are about themselves, and so I just stick to my own shit. I have maybe 5 family members who I am always there for though when they need it.
▶My friends usually don't need anything, and at this age we're busy. They get done what they need to, so do I and we catch up somewhere in the middle.
▶Society...First and foremost I have no clue what is about to erupt with every new natural disaster, mass shooting, riot, new covid variant, etc lol. Having said that I try to enjoy life by attending to my own wants and needs first mostly, because I'm not sure what tomorrow may hold.
Except situations like this. A few weeks ago I was running my dad to and from a doctors appointment, and there was an older lady in a wheelchair who thought her transportation bus forgot about her at the hospital. She reminded me a lot of my mom who is in a similar situation mobility wise. She seemed worried, like she had been stranded and had no clue how she would get home. Envisioning my mom in the same situation, I instantly felt some heavy weight in my chest. She lived a town 10 minutes before our final destination so I just offered to take her home. She seemed shocked at the offer, like it was a huge burden but thankful nonetheless. I was just about to get her in my car when her ride pulled up. I wheeled her to her bus she thanked me again and wished her well. We were strangers, but if I didn't and just went about my day like it wasn't my problem. I know for a fact I would have been worried on some level, like "How long did she have to sit there." "Did anyone help her?" kind of worry.

Hopefully in that mess of a response you got some insight lol
 
Significant other: Them (if we are on good terms)

Family: Me

Friends: Them (until I get burnt out)

Society: My morals and values guide me here
 
How much do your own wants / wishes weigh versus the collective wants of those closest to you?
It’s complicated.

With family and friends I make an instinctive distinction between wants and needs, and in social situations find myself wanting what others need - in my youth this could be a fault as much as a blessing, because I could sacrifice my own peace of mind that way. I can find myself needing others' neediness which can be a problem because I can become dependent on it.
Socially, I’m a natural follower and I’m quite happy to go along with the crowd in many social situations.
I have found that few folks are drawn to what I need and I hate imposing, so I don’t tend to negotiate if there is a clash. I don’t get any satisfaction and a lot of discomfort out of winning on wants, so I’ll mostly just withdraw rather than push it. I’ll go along with others but metaphorically haunt the dawn and evening twilight, when there’s no one else about, to meet my own wants. As I’ve got older, there’s more dawn and twilight in my day than there used to be.

In general my wife and I have pretty similar needs and we line up ok on the whole. She has significant medical problems and deep needs related to those - I find it very easy to want what she needs, but I can easily get emotionally drained by it.
We are both intuitive introverts, living in our own heads a lot, and it’s easy to find lots of time in the day to follow our our own stuff.

At the level of society I tend to treat it like I do a landscape. It’s easier to go round or over a mountain rather than through it. I prefer landscapes that have been shaped naturally than ones that have been hacked about artificially and I have a strong aversion to social engineering.
I find it hard to work out what it would mean to balance my own wants against those of society as a whole, and quickly get lost in the labyrinth. What does it mean? My local town? My country? The world? Now, or 100 or 1000 years from now? How would I defer my own wants for those of society? If I try and consume differently or less, for example, so as to help with climate control, and as a result take away the livelihood of some guy in a third world country, is this a good balance? The scientists change their minds all the time as well, so I could spend 10 years setting something I want aside only to find that it was useless because they all change their minds about what could be effective.
So I tend to treat society like I do the fixed stars, as something that I have only a little influence on, and it's to be lived with rather than otherwise. How to live with it - the easiest way I've found is through tything. By that I mean setting aside a fairly specific contribution of giving, both in time and money, and focus these on concrete and immediate wants in society rather than abstract or debatable ones.
I live in a relatively wealthy, liberal country and I'm getting older too with less future to worry about than I once had, and less energy too. If I were younger, or lived in a less congenial society then I would probably have a different orientation.
 
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