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It sounded like you were asking me to stop or were irritated... or you were just saying 'go to bed'. I don't know
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It sounded like you were asking me to stop or were irritated... or you were just saying 'go to bed'. I don't know
Lol I was attempting humor. That's a lot of overrepresentation, intjs are tough on themselves. Just my roundabout way of saying it's ok to chill brah.
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Oh, ok, phew, I'll try
I didn't actually set out with the intention of 'proving' anything, it's just that I said I'd divulge the stats when I have time, and I've had a couple of days off from my work, so I started with the next category on their website after the age one, which happened to be education.
EDIT: Even so, I was surprised at the numbers, though anecdotally I reported Masters as my highest level of education though I'm studying for a doctorate right now, and your gf just defended her thesis recently, right? So maybe it makes sense in that regard, but of course the real question is 'what's driving these types into doing doctorates'?
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Oh, ok, phew, I'll try
I didn't actually set out with the intention of 'proving' anything, it's just that I said I'd divulge the stats when I have time, and I've had a couple of days off from my work, so I started with the next category on their website after the age one, which happened to be education.
EDIT: Even so, I was surprised at the numbers, though anecdotally I reported Masters as my highest level of education though I'm studying for a doctorate right now, and your gf just defended her thesis recently, right? So maybe it makes sense in that regard, but of course the real question is 'what's driving these types into doing doctorates'?
I was saying go to bed but I intended it humorously. I do appreciate the pretty graphs!
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I was unaware such data existed there. I will need to dive deeper into it if I have the chance. (It is nice to sit back and see what others have found in their areas of interest.)
I wonder what the numbers/graphs would look like out there in the real world.
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I wish the website allowed you to distinguish between the self-reported stuff (the people who pay $50 to take the test online, which is a massive waste of money) and the results of the actual field practitioners out there typing for corporations, &c. I don't know if one or the other category dominates their numbers tbh.
Okay, but collected from where?
I started looking at the values in relation to people I know. It was just easiest to see if they trend toward what I've seen, and of course they do as I'm from a stereotypical middle class white family which stressed the sciences.
But, what about those who grew up not as advantaged? Surely they're across the spectrum in the same manner, but may never have had the chance to get their schooling? How about the other less advantaged groups of people?
Self reporting is great, but also requires one seeks out the place to report, meaning there must be an interest there to start with. That alone is not reflective of the whole population.
Most elderly folk are leery of putting any information on the web, never mind taking online polls that will identify them, as they don't trust technology to not be tracking them. I know middle age, technical folk who don't own smart phones for this reason.
The list goes on.
I'm not trying to be argumentative. In fact I think the numbers and charts reveal something amazing. When looking at the real world we need to understand, it's a very big place and what we have here is just a tiny sampling.
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You sound like you've signed up... you can find the data under 'My Tools' > 'Type Trends'
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P.S. I'm INTJ from an underclass background (single mother, raised on state benefits), and as I mentioned, I'm doing a PhD... though most of the biases you mentioned can't be corrected for in the data we can access (and they don't ask about class background). However, these are the catgories they do include:
Age; Education; Ethnicity; Gender; Occupation; Organization; Situation; Sector
By 'organization', they mean level in the hierarchy (entry level, supervisory, management, executive, &c.). By 'Situation' they mean unemployed/part-time/full-time, &c.
P.P.S. You can see 'Age' on the front page of this thread... essentially it shows that younger folk skew towards FP, while older folk skew SJ.
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There's lots of issues with data collecting across the board but generally in stats they have a lot of corrective measures. Nothing's perfect no matter how crazy you get with your sampling, but you can get a pretty dang good estimate.
That's a shame
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Jkxx made some really cool charts for the generational data.
What his charts show is that the generational data reveals actual trends, rather than simply an uneven distribution of types - most types genuinely decline or rise in frequency at the same or similar rates over time.
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Different kind of graph for the generational data
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Thank you for making these as well, I find them just as interesting as the original data set.
The first thought which crossed my mind (excluding the issue of access to education which was mentioned earlier) is that maybe some types are driven toward learning strongly (whether internal curiosity to understand or the need to apply what has been learned in the world - yes I just did a straight Ti vs Te intention with those.) And from there going deep into education kind of follows naturally but I'm sure there is much more to it than this.
What is up with the two STJ types? Not the graph itself but with this being the situation shown by the data - I remember seeing it before as well and couldn't think of a reason for it other than maybe these types don't end up taking the test in sufficient numbers until after they get close to the age 30 mark.
The first thought which crossed my mind (excluding the issue of access to education which was mentioned earlier) is that maybe some types are driven toward learning strongly (whether internal curiosity to understand or the need to apply what has been learned in the world - yes I just did a straight Ti vs Te intention with those.) And from there going deep into education kind of follows naturally but I'm sure there is much more to it than this.
What is up with the two STJ types? Not the graph itself but with this being the situation shown by the data - I remember seeing it before as well and couldn't think of a reason for it other than maybe these types don't end up taking the test in sufficient numbers until after they get close to the age 30 mark.
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That's a very good point... Perhaps the STJs are more likely to have the test administered to them by the practitioners when they're already in work/in the corporate world.
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I think this reveals the generational polarity between NFPs and STJs more than anything.
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I think this reveals the generational polarity between NFPs and STJs more than anything.