I really would like your help on this one.
This is a follow-up on this topic which unfortunately didn't end well: https://www.infjs.com/threads/is-there-hope-in-this-heartbreaking-infp-infj-lovestory
This is about a girl I met one year ago and what started off as a typical INFJ-INFP meeting turned into a very intense online friendship with potential for more. However, at the time I liked another girl and was invested in her and I told her that I'd like to be friends first.
In the months that followed we kept in touch a lot and shared many stories. At one point I went on holiday with another girl which I told my friend. Coming back, however, I knew I wanted to be with my friend but I didn't communicate this with her clearly. I communicated it by spending more time with her, and sending each other audios and just talking all day long. It was truly a spectacular time and after a few weeks, I asked her if she could go on a trip with me. She really liked the idea and we made plans to spend time together.
We planned it end of August, one week after she would start her internship in another country, but before things would get busy.
So in July she went on a holiday with a friend and I asked her about it and she said it was just with a friend. We spoke every day in the evening briefly and she sent me some pictures. Fast forward some weeks I started to notice that she was more "away" than normal but I figured this had to do with her moving to a different country, saying goodbye, etc. But one and a half weeks later, before she moved away, she dropped a bomb. She had fallen in love with the person she went on a holiday with and was to afraid to tell me out of fair of losing me (she wasn't sure I liked her since she knew I went on holiday with a different girl). Of course I was completely devastated. I told her how much this hurt me, how much I liked her and looked forward and this made her physically sick and not being able to eat for some days.
Later she told me she really enjoyed this period but somehow she thought that this would be everything there would be for us. I think mostly because she was still thinking about how I went on this trip with another girl and I think she really would have wanted to be that person. It was very bad but I wanted to be friends and tried. I cut off contact a couple of times, she cut off contact, for me it was all so much. We forgave each other eventually but I still needed time to be "over her".
Then in October I visited her for a day while I was on holiday to the country where she lived. Prior to meeting her, we talked so much in the days before we met that I thought she didn't have a boyfriend anymore, including some minor online flirting. Meeting her was surreal. We had so much fun and I totally fell in love, and she with me I think. The connection couldn't be more real. But she also still had a boyfriend, it turned out and she said it made her sad to tell me this again. We hugged the entire day and held each other's hands. At the end of the day, we said that we couldn't talk again because of what we mean to each other but I asked her if she'd be willing to reconsider and she said she will give it some time.
The next day we called for 5 hours and discussed everything there was to discuss about us, how I felt at certain times, the trips with my other friend. We discussed her feelings, for example, she couldn't believe I would be able to love her after what she did to me, and she felt undeserving. I explained what relationships mean to me, what I saw in her and why after two months I still cared so much about her that I would be willing to visit her, even just to see her for one day which was so incredibly intense and personal experience.
In the days that followed, she told me she needed to think about it and I asked her if she wanted me to be part of it or not and she said she liked it. I felt incredibly close, like a boyfriend and girlfriend - we called all days every day, watched series together and wished each other good night. After a couple of days, however, I found her to be a bit off and I asked her if there was anything I can do to help her with the decision. After prying she told me her boyfriend was visiting her by the end of the week and they would go for a trip. And she wanted to see how she felt about him and then decide. I asked her why she couldn't tell me this much earlier. Why hide? She was scared to tell me this because the last time she spoke about her boyfriend (before our trip) it ended up in so many tears. (This didn't me anger at the time but now I feel like she never learned from the first time, for which she apologized and it hurts me a lot). A continuous thing she told me is how she was terrified of losing me as a friend. I told her it's great that they can meet and that it would be a nice test. She said she was a bit nervous to see him and that we could perhaps talk after a couple of days but that I would leave her for a while.
When the time came, the days were not good, as you can imagine. I was going cold turkey with the fear of really losing her. On Sunday, this was day 4 for her I think I asked how she was doing and she said they were in the bar, and in the next morning I just had to ask if she made a decision yet - even though she prior said she probably couldn't make that decision unless he had left. And then she told me that she made the decision to stay with him. I thanked her for sharing, she said she was sorry, etc. In the next day I tried texting her in lengthy messages and told her to communicate with him if she wasn't sure, that she probably felt confused and that she can take her time and even ask for a break with him if she needed, that she shouldn't feel pressured. I was under a lot of pressure at the time and my intentions were well because I wanted her to have a relationship of trust and transparency since her holding back information to me hurt me so much.
Later (in her final message, read below), she called me out for manipulating her, which is something that makes sense but this never was my intention. On the next day, Wednesday, I contacted her, being sick of myself and the whole situation, and told me that I will not be her boyfriend if it goes like this, but that if we ever want to be together it will be through a normal friendship. I just said this for myself, I guess. But of course, this really affected her and she told me to imagine that if I were on a trip with someone and someone would text me all day, how would it be? At this time I really was exhausted mentally and we both agreed that a break would be good.
So, fast forward to the beginning of December. I thought I was over her and I asked her how she was. She read the message but didn't reply for some days so I started wondering if she had thrown me out of her life. 5 days later I wrote her a small message again that if there is something wrong, she can tell me and I'd understand. She replied quite quickly and said she was on her way to the airport because she was moving back to her home city and we had some fun. I really missed her and she said she missed me too. She told me she would meet her father the next day, her band members and then the day later starting a new job. I asked her if any of them were picking her up, to which she didn't reply, so I asked her if her bf was picking her up and she said yes. Then we spoke briefly after she landed and we would be in contact soon. However, in these days (in which she was silent) I realized that I wasn't over her still, being in love with her as well as not having "forgiven" her what happened. It was all too much. I really missed her: the day I spent with her and the week that followed still so fresh, I still felt in love and sad she had a boyfriend. It was tough mentally and I knew I had to take a break, but you have to understand that taking a break feels like a personal defeat for me since friendship for me is very important
I thought of ways of telling her this. Maybe a short message? Maybe a longer message? In the end, I sent her an audio because it was closest of being personal... and I have to admit that it sucked. For the first five minutes, I told her that I still love her, care so much about her and really miss her and in the final part, I told her that it makes me really sad because I know I have to move on, even though I wish to be her friend, and that the feelings of love are "misplaced" and that I don't want to burden her with it. I think she never even gotten to the second part because her reply was not very positive. Truth be told, I can understand it, I dropped a bomb once again in a time which was for her stressful and it was too much for her to deal with me as well. This is something that happened before and I truly regret because it affected her a lot.
What I hoped for was a friend who could tell me that she's sorry for it and that she's waiting for me when I'm over her, but instead, she told me that she can't deal with it anymore, I manipulated her during her trip which isn't how friends behave, that we have to let each other go and that we can't be friends, at least not now and that I can't stand her having a boyfriend. I asked her if I could write a reply, she said yes, and I wrote a message in which I apologized for the messages I sent her during that week even though I didn't mean them as manipulation, and that of course I was never against her having a boyfriend, just the way she hid things from me. That was the last time we spoke and this was around 6 weeks ago. I did block her for some days in which she could have written a reply but I don't think this was the case (I blocked her 5 days after I wrote the message for 3 days). She hasn't blocked me on WhatsApp.
Right now I am sure I am over her but I miss our friendship. However, I realize that a lot has happened in a short time. We have both shown ugly faces but I treasure her as a friend and I am willing to work on being friends again. Despite the hardships, I think it's possible to be good friends.. potentially. But I realize that we are far from there, we both fucked up in our own ways. What I would like is just to talk with her about what happened, listen to how I hurt her and make apologies where necessary, and ideally vice versa. Without expectations, as in don't expect a friendship to return necessarily. I don't know if this will repair the friendship (right away) but at least this will be a good start and a way of giving it a place.
But this will require her to be vulnerable too and see the past events as something that we can learn from instead of that we should forget as quickly as possible. Because she hurt me a lot with how everything went. But I could never not forgive someone who shows true regret and take it as a lesson. On the other hand, this is not a good chapter in her book either, and I am not sure if she's willing to dig it up so we can bury it together and move on. She "cheated" on her current boyfriend and maybe does not want to be reminded of it.
I read that most friendships end because nobody is willing to take the first step to reach out so I am planning to do just that - and set my ego aside.
Since we spoke, I have been visiting a psychologist and I'm set to do my best in making sure it doesn't happen again. I really would like to be friends with her again - I realize the things I wrote above are not placing her in a positive light, but she is funny, intelligent and caring. I want to apologize to her for the things I did wrong and - even though I don't have expectations - also have her opening up to me and listen to my part of the story and the ways in which it hurt me.
However, I still have questions. Should I contact her? And if so, what do I tell her? I don't want to pressure her. Do I write an apology and just let it rest with her? Do I wait for her to contact me? I am quite sure she will not do this, either because she doesn't trust me, doesn't want to disturb me, think she doesn't deserve my friendship, is angry at me, and many other reasons. A lot of these reasons can be solved by me contacting her, some not.
Furthermore, I am really appreciative of further comments on the whole story.
Thanks you very much.
This is a follow-up on this topic which unfortunately didn't end well: https://www.infjs.com/threads/is-there-hope-in-this-heartbreaking-infp-infj-lovestory
This is about a girl I met one year ago and what started off as a typical INFJ-INFP meeting turned into a very intense online friendship with potential for more. However, at the time I liked another girl and was invested in her and I told her that I'd like to be friends first.
In the months that followed we kept in touch a lot and shared many stories. At one point I went on holiday with another girl which I told my friend. Coming back, however, I knew I wanted to be with my friend but I didn't communicate this with her clearly. I communicated it by spending more time with her, and sending each other audios and just talking all day long. It was truly a spectacular time and after a few weeks, I asked her if she could go on a trip with me. She really liked the idea and we made plans to spend time together.
We planned it end of August, one week after she would start her internship in another country, but before things would get busy.
So in July she went on a holiday with a friend and I asked her about it and she said it was just with a friend. We spoke every day in the evening briefly and she sent me some pictures. Fast forward some weeks I started to notice that she was more "away" than normal but I figured this had to do with her moving to a different country, saying goodbye, etc. But one and a half weeks later, before she moved away, she dropped a bomb. She had fallen in love with the person she went on a holiday with and was to afraid to tell me out of fair of losing me (she wasn't sure I liked her since she knew I went on holiday with a different girl). Of course I was completely devastated. I told her how much this hurt me, how much I liked her and looked forward and this made her physically sick and not being able to eat for some days.
Later she told me she really enjoyed this period but somehow she thought that this would be everything there would be for us. I think mostly because she was still thinking about how I went on this trip with another girl and I think she really would have wanted to be that person. It was very bad but I wanted to be friends and tried. I cut off contact a couple of times, she cut off contact, for me it was all so much. We forgave each other eventually but I still needed time to be "over her".
Then in October I visited her for a day while I was on holiday to the country where she lived. Prior to meeting her, we talked so much in the days before we met that I thought she didn't have a boyfriend anymore, including some minor online flirting. Meeting her was surreal. We had so much fun and I totally fell in love, and she with me I think. The connection couldn't be more real. But she also still had a boyfriend, it turned out and she said it made her sad to tell me this again. We hugged the entire day and held each other's hands. At the end of the day, we said that we couldn't talk again because of what we mean to each other but I asked her if she'd be willing to reconsider and she said she will give it some time.
The next day we called for 5 hours and discussed everything there was to discuss about us, how I felt at certain times, the trips with my other friend. We discussed her feelings, for example, she couldn't believe I would be able to love her after what she did to me, and she felt undeserving. I explained what relationships mean to me, what I saw in her and why after two months I still cared so much about her that I would be willing to visit her, even just to see her for one day which was so incredibly intense and personal experience.
In the days that followed, she told me she needed to think about it and I asked her if she wanted me to be part of it or not and she said she liked it. I felt incredibly close, like a boyfriend and girlfriend - we called all days every day, watched series together and wished each other good night. After a couple of days, however, I found her to be a bit off and I asked her if there was anything I can do to help her with the decision. After prying she told me her boyfriend was visiting her by the end of the week and they would go for a trip. And she wanted to see how she felt about him and then decide. I asked her why she couldn't tell me this much earlier. Why hide? She was scared to tell me this because the last time she spoke about her boyfriend (before our trip) it ended up in so many tears. (This didn't me anger at the time but now I feel like she never learned from the first time, for which she apologized and it hurts me a lot). A continuous thing she told me is how she was terrified of losing me as a friend. I told her it's great that they can meet and that it would be a nice test. She said she was a bit nervous to see him and that we could perhaps talk after a couple of days but that I would leave her for a while.
When the time came, the days were not good, as you can imagine. I was going cold turkey with the fear of really losing her. On Sunday, this was day 4 for her I think I asked how she was doing and she said they were in the bar, and in the next morning I just had to ask if she made a decision yet - even though she prior said she probably couldn't make that decision unless he had left. And then she told me that she made the decision to stay with him. I thanked her for sharing, she said she was sorry, etc. In the next day I tried texting her in lengthy messages and told her to communicate with him if she wasn't sure, that she probably felt confused and that she can take her time and even ask for a break with him if she needed, that she shouldn't feel pressured. I was under a lot of pressure at the time and my intentions were well because I wanted her to have a relationship of trust and transparency since her holding back information to me hurt me so much.
Later (in her final message, read below), she called me out for manipulating her, which is something that makes sense but this never was my intention. On the next day, Wednesday, I contacted her, being sick of myself and the whole situation, and told me that I will not be her boyfriend if it goes like this, but that if we ever want to be together it will be through a normal friendship. I just said this for myself, I guess. But of course, this really affected her and she told me to imagine that if I were on a trip with someone and someone would text me all day, how would it be? At this time I really was exhausted mentally and we both agreed that a break would be good.
So, fast forward to the beginning of December. I thought I was over her and I asked her how she was. She read the message but didn't reply for some days so I started wondering if she had thrown me out of her life. 5 days later I wrote her a small message again that if there is something wrong, she can tell me and I'd understand. She replied quite quickly and said she was on her way to the airport because she was moving back to her home city and we had some fun. I really missed her and she said she missed me too. She told me she would meet her father the next day, her band members and then the day later starting a new job. I asked her if any of them were picking her up, to which she didn't reply, so I asked her if her bf was picking her up and she said yes. Then we spoke briefly after she landed and we would be in contact soon. However, in these days (in which she was silent) I realized that I wasn't over her still, being in love with her as well as not having "forgiven" her what happened. It was all too much. I really missed her: the day I spent with her and the week that followed still so fresh, I still felt in love and sad she had a boyfriend. It was tough mentally and I knew I had to take a break, but you have to understand that taking a break feels like a personal defeat for me since friendship for me is very important
I thought of ways of telling her this. Maybe a short message? Maybe a longer message? In the end, I sent her an audio because it was closest of being personal... and I have to admit that it sucked. For the first five minutes, I told her that I still love her, care so much about her and really miss her and in the final part, I told her that it makes me really sad because I know I have to move on, even though I wish to be her friend, and that the feelings of love are "misplaced" and that I don't want to burden her with it. I think she never even gotten to the second part because her reply was not very positive. Truth be told, I can understand it, I dropped a bomb once again in a time which was for her stressful and it was too much for her to deal with me as well. This is something that happened before and I truly regret because it affected her a lot.
What I hoped for was a friend who could tell me that she's sorry for it and that she's waiting for me when I'm over her, but instead, she told me that she can't deal with it anymore, I manipulated her during her trip which isn't how friends behave, that we have to let each other go and that we can't be friends, at least not now and that I can't stand her having a boyfriend. I asked her if I could write a reply, she said yes, and I wrote a message in which I apologized for the messages I sent her during that week even though I didn't mean them as manipulation, and that of course I was never against her having a boyfriend, just the way she hid things from me. That was the last time we spoke and this was around 6 weeks ago. I did block her for some days in which she could have written a reply but I don't think this was the case (I blocked her 5 days after I wrote the message for 3 days). She hasn't blocked me on WhatsApp.
Right now I am sure I am over her but I miss our friendship. However, I realize that a lot has happened in a short time. We have both shown ugly faces but I treasure her as a friend and I am willing to work on being friends again. Despite the hardships, I think it's possible to be good friends.. potentially. But I realize that we are far from there, we both fucked up in our own ways. What I would like is just to talk with her about what happened, listen to how I hurt her and make apologies where necessary, and ideally vice versa. Without expectations, as in don't expect a friendship to return necessarily. I don't know if this will repair the friendship (right away) but at least this will be a good start and a way of giving it a place.
But this will require her to be vulnerable too and see the past events as something that we can learn from instead of that we should forget as quickly as possible. Because she hurt me a lot with how everything went. But I could never not forgive someone who shows true regret and take it as a lesson. On the other hand, this is not a good chapter in her book either, and I am not sure if she's willing to dig it up so we can bury it together and move on. She "cheated" on her current boyfriend and maybe does not want to be reminded of it.
I read that most friendships end because nobody is willing to take the first step to reach out so I am planning to do just that - and set my ego aside.
Since we spoke, I have been visiting a psychologist and I'm set to do my best in making sure it doesn't happen again. I really would like to be friends with her again - I realize the things I wrote above are not placing her in a positive light, but she is funny, intelligent and caring. I want to apologize to her for the things I did wrong and - even though I don't have expectations - also have her opening up to me and listen to my part of the story and the ways in which it hurt me.
However, I still have questions. Should I contact her? And if so, what do I tell her? I don't want to pressure her. Do I write an apology and just let it rest with her? Do I wait for her to contact me? I am quite sure she will not do this, either because she doesn't trust me, doesn't want to disturb me, think she doesn't deserve my friendship, is angry at me, and many other reasons. A lot of these reasons can be solved by me contacting her, some not.
Furthermore, I am really appreciative of further comments on the whole story.
Thanks you very much.
