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    Capture.JPG So often the political discourse veers into warnings about become a socialist country. For many it is the clarion call to action against progressive policies. We often hear conservative rail against the evils of socialism as they point to criminal states like N Korea or failing economies like Cuba or Venezuela as examples of what might happen to us.
    But is it not clear that without various socialist enterprises that are embedded into our "free" market system that our economy would not even exist?
    Let's not even mention basic government services, like fire departments and public schools. Instead look at insurance, like the FDIC, Crop Insurance, or home owners insurance.... Is it not true that without Insurance businesses would not be able to operate and markets would fail?

     
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    Bernie Is Not a Socialist and America Is Not Capitalist
    Scandinavia is, by one measure, a freer market than the United States.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...3/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/
     
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    Do they think I’m afraid of the word? I’m not afraid of the word," he said in an interview with The Nation published in July. "When I ran for the Senate the first time, I ran against the wealthiest guy in the state of Vermont. He spent a lot on advertising — very ugly stuff. He kept attacking me as a liberal. He didn’t use the word ‘socialist’ at all, because everybody in the state knows that I am that." - Sanders
     
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    Insurance is sharing the risk.
    All forms of insurance (Health, Auto, Vacation Trips, Fire, Flood, etc.) are set up to share the risk.
     
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    Read the article brainiac.
     
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    Why? Bernie calls himself a socalist, therefore he is which completely destroys the very first sentence.
     
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    Which is why I said, read the article.
    Jesus...you are arguing with thin air...you didn’t even read the substantive text that you are arguing against.
    You base your response only on the article title without clearly having read or knowing what you are actually arguing against.
    You are arguing for argument’s sake.
    Derp man.....uber-derp.
     
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    "Why?" Is not an argument, it is a question.
     
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    You have still not yet bitten into the meat of the subject you are ignoring.
    Your “questions” are shooting blanks.
    Hence the Derp.
     
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    by that logic you are a genius.
     
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    He’s a Man-God.

    (Anyhow, he’s gonna make God pay, if there is one...very logical)
     
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    It very much is an argument, posed as a question with an argumentative premise embedded in it. It's just that it's a sort of incredibly flimsy and farcical argument that is almost impossible for others to respond to, since it provides zero genuine engagement with the material presented for discussion - exactly like your previous argument, "Funny."
     
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    Thanks Stu, that's a really nice complement coming from you.

    The point is he's not mincing words. He wants to be known as a socialist which either means he knows what a socialist is or that he doesn't. Either way the end outcome is unfortunate.
     
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    No one needs to respond to "funny". There's nothing to argue about when you say something like I think Hitler was really Marilyn Monroe in disguise.
    "Why" is exactly what It appears to be. A question. Flip words, dance around them...do whatever. If you can't respond it's because any argument you had was shut down.
     
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    I'm happy to respond. The word "why" is not sufficient to "shut down" any argument at all. It's more like a word that little children repeat to annoy their parents. Hope this helps!
     
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    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
     
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    this is an excellent point
     
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    If you read the article you would understand very quickly that you have no idea what you're talking about. Skarekrow told you repeatedly that you don't know what you're talking about. I have no idea why you are intent on ignoring him. You seem constantly impervious to anything of value that anyone else could say.
     
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    When I think about this issue it seems to me almost like at its extreme development, that capitalism is anarchic - what do you think of this?. I want to read the article Skarekrow posted again because I feel like I don't properly understand the way that public services and infrastructure are supposed to fit into the theory of deregulation. It seems as though it is not possible for a market to provide those sorts of things on its own, because the market has no reason to be charitable. But it seems like about free market the idea is that any regulation is holding back the market and preventing it from serving humanity. I've always really struggled with the idea that a deregulated market can serve humanity.

    Insurance is an interesting one. It seems like insurance organisations are a privatised business service?
     
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