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Irrelevance of liberal, socialist and communist ideals in the modern world.

Just a thought, Trump has probably been investigated by the Dept of Treasury on numerous occasions, he seems to be constantly audited by the IRS, was a Casino owner which went bankrupt...it could be that he has earned a reputation for being less than honest with investigators in numerous law enforcement agencies and maybe that's where the antipathy comes from, rather then that these law enforcement officials are in the thrall of a Democratic party founded on the the notion of the enslavement of the masses. (just a thought)
 
Just a thought, Trump has probably been investigated by the Dept of Treasury on numerous occasions, he seems to be constantly audited by the IRS, was a Casino owner which went bankrupt...it could be that he has earned a reputation for being less than honest with investigators in numerous law enforcement agencies and maybe that's where the antipathy comes from, rather then that these law enforcement officials are in the thrall of a Democratic party founded on the the notion of the enslavement of the masses. (just a thought)
Ok. All speculation based I think on your own personal dislike of Trump.
 
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based on 1 constant irs audits, 2 Casino ownership, 3 repeated bankruptcies let's face it if he were black they would have just shot him on fifth avenue (and gotten away with it)
 
based on 1 constant irs audits, 2 Casino ownership, 3 repeated bankruptcies let's face it if he were black they would have just shot him on fifth avenue (and gotten away with it)
Constant audits...hes a buisness man with a lot of businesses. It seems like audits are a fact of.life for people like that. And they are not audits of him but his businesses. Though he himself may have been audited I don't know.
Do you know that Hershy had something like a hundred businesses that he failed at until he got into candy and built an empire? Failure is not something to be ashamed of. Not trying is.
 
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I am saying it may be his perceived criminality and not his politics
 
I am saying it may be his perceived criminality and not his politics
Ok. Hmmm.... So what has he been convicted of since beimg born? There should be a list according to your assumtions.
 
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Hardly. Go back to sleep little one.
We know there were and potentially still are agents working on the investigation who are hostile to Trump and possibly beyond. Obviously you can't allow those people on an investigation like this.
I'll let this slide since you appear to be attempting a legitimate conversation... Nighty night, poo f*cker <3
 
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I think Muellers ties along with some if not all of his team's actions are suspect and should be taken seriously to the point they need to be brought to light. However it would be ignorant to think there are no Conservative or Democrat FBI agents.
Mueller was appointed by a Republican, donates to the Republican party, and was appointed as Special Counsel by the Republicans.
When he found out that there was bias amongst his team he fired him - exactly what someone who is trying to maintain objectivity and unbiasedness should do in that situation...some of his team vote for the Democrats and some for the Republicans.
Some snowflake crybaby shit.
If Trump is innocent then we shall see.
 
So it would seem that conversations with the President, in which he attempts to obstruct justice by leaning on the Director of the FBI are considered classified? So much for the rule of law.
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The rule of law was thrown out the window when Hillary Clinton was given a pass in having commited espionage. If you are so concerned with the law Stu why don't you ever talk about that? Or is it that law should apply only to the people.you dont like? Or the policies you don't like?
Rice, Comey, Lynch, Huma and Hillary all belong in jail. Or at the very least need real investigations.

If your bugged about people in America getting a pass because of their position good. All Americans should be
 
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The rule of law was thrown out the window when Hillary Clinton was given a pass in having commited espionage. If you are so concerned.with the law Stu why don't you ever talk about that? Or is it that law should apply only to the people.you dont like? Or the policies you don't like?
Rice, Comey, Lynch, Huma and Hillary all belong in jail. Or at the very least need real investigations.

If your bugged about people in America getting a pass because of their position good. All Americans should be

Because she isn’t running the fucking country....jesus you are dense sometimes.
If she were Prez then I’m sure she would already be impeached....but we are talking about Trump and the laws that he has broken and obstructed.
Your fall back argument is always - but Hillary...or...but Obama...did this or that...
So what?
So that let’s Trump off the hook?
WTF kind of cognitive dissonance is that?
Let them be investigated also...I could care less what happens to Hillary...but how does that give a free pass to Trump?
*sigh*


"If your bugged about people in America getting a pass because of their position good.”
Also it’s “you’re”, not “your”....if anything bugs me it’s that (apparently I’m not the only one either...lol).
 
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Hillary Clinton is perhaps the most investigated person to every run for president, by your arguments @Eventhorizon she was never indicted because of a corrupt justice department. I take the position that she was not indicted because there was not enough evidence, after millions of hours and dollars spent investigating her, to indict let alone try and convict her. You saying otherwise is like, just your opinion (man).
 
Hillary Clinton is perhaps the most investigated person to every run for president, by your arguments @Eventhorizon she was never indicted because of a corrupt justice department. I take the position that she was not indicted because there was not enough evidence, after millions of hours and dollars spent investigating her, to indict let alone try and convict her. You saying otherwise is like, just your opinion (man).
Agree.
And seriously...she has no bearing on the course of our nation right now...Trump does.
*walks away to go run headfirst into a brick wall*
 
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Hillary Clinton is perhaps the most investigated person to every run for president, by your arguments @Eventhorizon she was never indicted because of a corrupt justice department. I take the position that she was not indicted because there was not enough evidence, after millions of hours and dollars spent investigating her, to indict let alone try and convict her. You saying otherwise is like, just your opinion (man).
Stu I'm sorry but it is difficult if not impossible to take you seriously on anything you state or think about the law when you take a position like that. We know that it does not have to be the entirety of the FBI now to make conclusions or statements regarding their investigations. Comey said in the kindest possible words she was guilty but they decided not to indict. We know from the little verified information released to the public she is absolutely guilty of espionage. There's simply no question of it. Regardless of how past investigations turned out she was caught red handed in this one.

I agree with the idea the American people need to be very concerned with people breaking the law and getting away with it because of their position. Highly concerned. It is a nation breaker. The investigation into collusion of Trump and Russia seems to be BS all the way. It's taken far longer than it should. It also seems to be tainted badly with bias on many levels. Even so I've said let it play out. However enough time has passed to where I think its become clear its being done solely not on any laws that have potentially been broken but for political gain in 2018.

Enough is enough.
 
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We know that it does not have to be the entirety of the FBI now to make conclusions or statements regarding their investigations.
Bullshit. If she was so dangerously guilty of espionage why didn't congress move to remove her? Could it be they would rather keep her in play so that they could run against her in the Presidential? I can't imagine that scenario escaped your Uber awareness.

Comey only released his statement because he saw Lynn as compromised once she pushed him to refer to Clinton's investigation as a "matter" (or did that escape your awareness as well.)
but as @Skarekrow points out, it doesn't flippin matter...Trump is a separate individual and his appearance of criminality and collusion with a hostile state in his bid for power is a separate matter. (entirely)
 
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The investigation into collusion of Trump and Russia seems to be BS all the way. It's taken far longer than it should. It also seems to be tainted badly with bias on many levels. Even so I've said let it play out. However enough time has passed to where I think its become clear its being done solely not on any laws that have potentially been broken but for political gain in 2018.

Wrong and wrong....again.
Also...if there Russia is a “nothing-burger” then why are people pleading fucking guilty of dirty dealings with Russians and others?
Makes no sense....you have your horse-blinders on.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________​

"Critics have been quick to compare the controversy surrounding the White House and Russia to the Watergate scandal that forced President Richard Nixon to resign. But the Watergate drama took longer to unfold — more than two years — than many people may remember. Here’s a quick refresher of the events that led to Nixon’s resignation, along with a reminder that despite the recent pace of news in Washington, political crises are often slow-burning affairs.

June 17, 1972

Five men are arrested while trying to bug the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters at the Watergate, a hotel and office building in Washington, D.C. A day later, White House press secretary Ronald Ziegler famously called the Watergate break-in a “third-rate burglary.” At a press conference June 22, President Nixon denied that the White House was involved in the incident.

Aug. 1, 1972

The Washington Post reported that a $25,000 check intended for Nixon’s 1972 reelection campaign was deposited in the bank account of one of the Watergate burglars. It was one of the first developments linking the DNC break-in to Nixon’s campaign.

Oct. 10, 1972

The Post reports the FBI had concluded the Watergate break-in was part of a broader spying effort connected to Nixon’s campaign. News of the FBI’s findings came two weeks after the Post reported that former Attorney General John Mitchell, who stepped down earlier that year, had controlled a secret fund that paid for spying on the Democratic Party.

Jan. 8, 1973

The trial for the Watergate break-in begins.

Jan. 30, 1973

G. Gordon Liddy, a former Nixon aide, and James McCord, a one-time Nixon aide and former CIA operative, are convicted for their role in spearheading the Watergate break-in.

April 30, 1973

The scandal reaches the White House, as senior White House aides H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman resign over Watergate. Attorney General Richard Kleindienst also resigns, and John Dean, the White House counsel, gets fired.

May 18, 1973

Attorney General Elliot Richardson appoints Archibald Cox as special prosecutor to lead the investigation into Nixon’s reelection campaign and Watergate. Cox was a respected attorney and law professor, and had served as the United States solicitor general under Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.

READ MORE: The ‘special prosecutor’ Democrats want no longer exists

Cox’s appointment comes one day after the Senate Watergate Committee begins its public hearings on the scandal. The committee’s hearings are nationally televised and, along with Cox’s investigation, marke a new phase in the Watergate scandal. It is at these Senate hearings that then-Sen. Howard Baker, R-Tenn., asks one of the most famous questions in American politics: “What did the president know, and when did he know it?”

July 23, 1973

Nixon, who taped his conversations and calls in office, refuses to give Cox and Senate Watergate investigators the recordings, which became known as the “Nixon tapes.” The tapes were believed to contain critical evidence of a cover-up of Nixon’s involvement in the break-in; the previous month, Dean, the former White House counsel, acknowledged that he had talked with Nixon about the Watergate matter dozens of times. After Nixon refused to turn the tapes over, both Cox and Senate investigators issue subpoenas for the material.

Oct. 20, 1973

The day that becomes known as the “Saturday Night Massacre.” Attorney General Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus resign in the same night after refusing Nixon’s order to fire Cox. Robert Bork, the solicitor general who was acting as attorney general, then followed Nixon’s order and fired Cox. Nixon’s push to oust Cox, who was leading the independent investigation into the White House misconduct, sparked intense criticism across the political spectrum. Four weeks later, on Nov. 17, Nixon issued his memorable denial: “I’m not a crook.”

May 9, 1974

The House Judiciary Committee starts impeachment proceedings against Nixon.

July 24, 1974

In a unanimous ruling, the Supreme Court orders Nixon to release the tape recordings. The decision came two months after the White House gave the House Judiciary Committee edited transcripts of Nixon’s conversations, but did not turn over the actual tapes.

July 27-30, 1974

The House Judiciary Committee passes three articles of impeachment against Nixon, for obstruction of justice, misuse of power and contempt of Congress. By approving the charges, the committee sent the impeachment to the floor for a full House vote, but it never occurred.

Aug. 8, 1974

Nixon resigns. In his resignation speech, Nixon said: “I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as president, I must put the interest of America first.”
 
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Bullshit. If she was so dangerously guilty of espionage why didn't congress move to remove her? Could it be they would rather keep her in play so that they could run against her in the Presidential? I can't imagine that scenario escaped your Uber awareness.

Comey only released his statement because he saw Lynn as compromised once she pushed him to refer to Clinton's investigation as a "matter" (or did that escape your awareness as well.)
but as @Skarekrow points out, it doesn't flippin matter...Trump is a separate individual and his appearance of criminality and collusion with a hostile state in his bid for power is a separate matter. (entirely)
Sorry it doesn't work that way. You want to tout how important the law is? The law applies to everyone. For you though it only applies for.you when it's leveled at something you don't like or agree with.

I was hoping you'd be reasonable but you are unquestionably fully bias and hypocritical. I suppose I should thank you. Now I don't have to consider anything you say as coming from a person who actually is trying to get to the truth. Your full of it in other words.
 
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Sorry it doesn't work that way. You want to tout how important the law is? The law applies to everyone. For you though it only applies for.you when it's leveled at something you don't like or agree with.

I was hoping you'd be reasonable but you are unquestionably fully bias and hypocritical. I suppose I should thank you. Now I don't have to consider anything you say as coming from a person who actually is trying to get to the truth. Your full of it in other words.
Wake up, if two people are guilty of owning an illegal machine gun and one is brandishing it in front of a group of sixth graders and the other took it apart and melted the pieces who are you going to go after?