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[just me]

[h=1]Saudi Arabia Promises to Match Iran in Nuclear Capability[/h]By DAVID E. SANGERMAY 13, 2015 The New York Times

Good read to those who wish to look it up. Obama, in 2012, promised this would not happen. His nuclear deal with Iran will insure it happens..

 

[muir]

Saudi Arabia Promises to Match Iran in Nuclear Capability

By DAVID E. SANGERMAY 13, 2015 The New York Times

Good read to those who wish to look it up. Obama, in 2012, promised this would not happen. His nuclear deal with Iran will insure it happens..

Listen man...Obama is part of the globalist network

If he wasn't doing what they want him to do he would be DEAD

If he really wanted to be subversive he would create a new interest free currency created by the treasury instead of the fed

So when you say ''Obama is doing such and such'' it is really the globalists doing it

So are you concerned that the globalists are trying to start world war 3 via a nuclear showdown between saudi arabia and iran?

It would be interesting to see if the US then tried to block saudi arabia from getting nuclear weapons (probably not because the house of Saud is a client of the US)

Edit: also what you're saying is a conspiracy theory...you are a conspiracy theorist

 

[muir]

With Hillary floundering and desperately trying to claw herself away from the lies she and her husband have told their entire lives I have to say I am more positive about actual presidential material making it into the white house after the current king is given the boot.
Rand Paul, Graham, Carson. Ted Cruize is becoming more interesting. Not that I agree with everything hes about but there is no doubt he'd make a 100% better president than Obama or the like who have never breathed air from this earth.
All I have to say is that once we get a rational clear thinking president in place we need to fix our voting system so that dead people, illegal aliens, multiple times voters, riged machines.. you know all of the things that make it possible for Democrats to win are fixed for good.
The country wont be able to survive another Obama which is what they want. Collapse America so they can implement a socialist society. I think 2016 is looking good right now.

That's a conspiracy theory

You are a conspiracy theorist

 

[just me]

You have a global war against Iran to stop their abilities, or you have the other. Iran must be part of the globalization, too, if you think this. However, I think Iran wants to rule. Dominate.

I feel if the Arab leaders are smart enough to stand up against Obama(so what if he is or is not a front man) regarding his plans with Iran, Obama should be smart enough to read the writing on the wall.
I see this as a last-ditch effort by Sunni Islam to TRUST the rest of the world to dismantle Iran's nuclear capabilities. I really don't think the rest of the world wants to go nuclear, but will IF THEY ARE FORCED TO.

On a side note, for the past two or three days we have been updated concerning an Iranian vessel heading toward Yemen.....with a military escort by Iran's naval vessels. As soon as yesterday, we were updated the escort was being closely shadowed by a US naval group.
Today, they say there never was an Iranian military escort. I guess our navy has been escorting....a lie? An Iranian spokesperson said they were going to Yemen, blockade or not.
Iran should send aid ship to Djibouti, not Yemen says US

Iran states they can only show resistance for so long, and messing with that cargo vessel could ignite a fire in the region. I'm real worried about their pride in a nuclear deal. Right.

 

[muir]

You have a global war against Iran to stop their abilities,

Why?

Why have a global war? Iran doesn't want to attack you

Iran has no nuclear weapons. It watches its neighbours like syria and iraq being tron apart by the zionist enterprise and it listens to zionists talking about launching attacks and even nuclear attacks against it

How would you feel if you were iranian right now?

or you have the other. Iran must be part of the globalization, too, if you think this.

Iran doesn't have a rothschild controlled bank and also it is energy self sufficient

Look at what has happened to all the nationalist energy self sufficient countries like Iraq and Libya...they all get destroyed by the zionists

The zionists are moving in on Iran. First they want to isolate Iran and to do that they are allying with turkey and destroying Irans allies in Syria (and also Lebanon)

However, I think Iran wants to rule. Dominate.

Dominate who?

How can iran dominate anyone?

Look at the following map and have a think about it:

I feel if the Arab leaders are smart enough to stand up against Obama(so what if he is or is not a front man) regarding his plans with Iran, Obama should be smart enough to read the writing on the wall.

The arab leaders are under the control of the same people who control Obama

All the nationalist arab countries who stood upto the US were crushed

I see this as a last-ditch effort by Sunni Islam to TRUST the rest of the world to dismantle Iran's nuclear capabilities. I really don't think the rest of the world wants to go nuclear, but will IF THEY ARE FORCED TO.

It's not about sunni v's shia that is just zionist propaganda

The muslims do not want to nuke each other (or anyone else for that matter), but they are afraid of being nuked by the zionists

On a side note, for the past two or three days we have been updated concerning an Iranian vessel heading toward Yemen.....with a military escort by Iran's naval vessels. As soon as yesterday, we were updated the escort was being closely shadowed by US
naval group.
Today, they say there never was an Iranian military escort. I guess our navy has been escorting....a lie? An Iranian spokesperson said they were going to Yemen, blockade or not.
Iran should send aid ship to Djibouti, not Yemen says US

Iran states they can only show resistance for so long, and messing with that cargo vessel could ignite a fire in the region. I'm real worried about their pride in a nuclear deal. Right.

Just me...if you don't listen to anything else i say please listen to this:

the people who are telling you that Iran is your enemy are the same people who are subverting your country

Iran is not your enemy it is THEIR enemy so they are making you hate Iran

 

[Skarekrow]

Ok so you have a theory of a conspiracy?

That’s what I said in so many words.

 

[muir]

That’s what I said in so many words.

Wow so in one thread we have you talking about a conspiracy theory, we have me speaking about a conspiracy theory, we have eventhorizon speaking about a conspiracy theory and we have just me speaking about a conspiracy theory

So we're all agreed.....there is a conspiracy

It's just on another thread stu and invisible are trying to say anyone who says there is a conspiracy is mentally ill

What do you say to that?

 

[just me]

Iran's danger to the rest of the world is real. I do not hate them!

 

[Skarekrow]

Wow so in one thread we have you talking about a conspiracy theory, we have me speaking about a conspiracy theory, we have eventhorizon speaking about a conspiracy theory and we have just me speaking about a conspiracy theory

So we're all agreed.....there is a conspiracy

It's just on another thread stu and invisible are trying to say anyone who says there is a conspiracy is mentally ill

What do you say to that?

Easy…
I was never disagreeing with you.

 

[muir]

Easy…
I was never disagreeing with you.

Yeah but what do you say to what they're saying?

For example invisible said he had had mental health problems in the past but now he believes that anyone who believes in any theory of a conspiracy is insane

So he just called you insane! (he also called eventhorizon and just me insane too because they are also conspiracy theorists)

While stu thinks you have low self esteem

 

[muir]

Iran's danger to the rest of the world is real. I do not hate them!

Why are they a danger to the world?

 

[Eventhorizon]

[h=1]Saudi Arabia Promises to Match Iran in Nuclear Capability[/h]By DAVID E. SANGERMAY 13, 2015 The New York Times

Good read to those who wish to look it up. Obama, in 2012, promised this would not happen. His nuclear deal with Iran will insure it happens..

Obama has broken most of his promises and lets be clear, its the only reason this country is still breathing.

 

[Skarekrow]

Yeah but what do you say to what they're saying?

For example invisible said he had had mental health problems in the past but now he believes that anyone who believes in any theory of a conspiracy is insane

So he just called you insane! (he also called eventhorizon and just me insane too because they are also conspiracy theorists)

While stu thinks you have low self esteem

So what should I care that one person has that opinion?
I know all about how information is spread and how one opinion can become many.
But…seriously, I could give a rat’s ass what one person may think of me.
Besides…who could really judge a person online having never met them IRL…it’s silly.

[video=youtube;7WZ33w3B8Hw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7WZ33w3B8Hw[/video]

 

[muir]

So what should I care that one person has that opinion?
I know all about how information is spread and how one opinion can become many.
But…seriously, I could give a rat’s ass what one person may think of me.
Besides…who could really judge a person online having never met them IRL…it’s silly.

[video=youtube;7WZ33w3B8Hw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7WZ33w3B8Hw[/video]

Because this is an MBTI forum and ultimately you and me are in a privileged position compared to the rest of humanity in that we often get insight into the personality types of the people whose views we get to hear

So for example if there were some types who were more likely to blindly believe what the system told them whilst there were other types who were more willing to question the system and see underlying conspiracies then that would be an interesting thing would it not?

I mean for example...that thread i'm talking about is attracting the usual suspects who like to pop up and bash so called 'conspiracy theorists' every opportunity they get (are they a psychological type?)

I've debated with all of them and proven them wrong on a whole bunch of issues and yet they continue to say that i am mentally deficient and defective!

here's the thing.....people are not rational creatures, they are emotional creatures capable of rational thought

So i believe that those people have an emotional investment in resisting trying to understand the conspiracy or to put it another way: they don't want to believe the conspiracy so they choose not to

Now under any other sort of circumstances that wouldn't be a problem, i would just think: 'well that's your opinion fine, let's go our seperate ways'

but the problem is that the rules of the game are changing as the system is making us act more and more in lumped together groups

So for example the vaccines issue. Now up until now if they want to choose to vaccinate themselves that's fine but the problem comes when they then want to force me by law to vaccinate my child, which is what we are now beginning to see creep in both in the states and in australia

So their lack of understanding about a sinister group of eugenicists who are trying to create a world government now becomes my problem because if they stand on the side of the eugenicists and say ''yes yes everyone must be vaccinated by law...you must be FORCED to be vaccinated'' then their ignorance is suddenly my problem because i will then have to be vaccinated because of their ignorance

So its not as simple as saying: ''well lets agree to disagree'' anymore because peoples ignorance is having real world effects on all of us

I'll give you another example.....the people in my country (scotland) have just overwhelmingly voted for a nationalist party because we are sick and tired of the corruption and pedophilia of the main british political parties. We have our own parliament with devolved powers so our politicians also have some say in the main british parliament

But a whole load of english people in their supreme ignorance have voted for a second term for the tory party and not just that they have voted them enough seats in parliament to give them a majority so they don't need to form a coalition government; this then gives a political party which is harbouring and protecting child rapists and murderers the powers to get rid of the human rights act and to create a 'snoopers charter' which allows the government to harrass anyone they want even if they can't actually prove the person has done anything illegal

So you see other peoples ignorance is becoming our problem

 

[just me]

Ignorance sounds belittling, but is not meant to sound so. It is what it is.

The reason I blame Obama? I hold him responsible. He is the President. Loves to play with twists, though, as do our media.

[h=1]Obama: Gulf nation leaders support Iran nuclear talks[/h]
No names, no nations, and no details of what they support. Obama and the media make it sound like everyone agrees with his nuclear so-called deal. The devil is in the details.

He that is ignorant; let him be ignorant. There are many people that are not called to watch these things we are watching. By blaming Obama, I am not trying to say there is a conspiracy. I am stating the facts as I see them.

I don't think, with all the laws governing our world today, and with all the dismantled nuclear warheads, Iran has any right to complain. If they are seeking nuclear weapons because of fear, they certainly should not have them. That tells me they would use them if necessary. Remember: they vow for the complete destruction of Israel. They are involved in wars all around Israel and Saudi Arabia-Egypt. They sponsor terrorism. State-sponsored terrorism. Fear of the US does not come into this equation.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/pakistan/khan.htm

Who says they don't have nuclear warheads? They certainly have enough material and, looking at their centrifuges, have the technology. I am not saying they have them, but they certainly have enough materials for several already. This is why they want them at the table. They need to remember they are not the only nation in the world. They have been buying time much longer than necessary. The sanctions should never, and I repeat never, have been lifted and need to be placed right back where they were.

A group of people did not make me to feel the way I do.

 

[muir]

Ignorance sounds belittling, but is not meant to sound so. It is what it is.

The reason I blame Obama? I hold him responsible. He is the President. Loves to play with twists, though, as do our media.

Obama: Gulf nation leaders support Iran nuclear talks


No names, no nations, and no details of what they support. Obama and the media make it sound like everyone agrees with his nuclear so-called deal. The devil is in the details.

He that is ignorant; let him be ignorant. There are many people that are not called to watch these things we are watching. By blaming Obama, I am not trying to say there is a conspiracy. I am stating the facts as I see them.

I don't think, with all the laws governing our world today, and with all the dismantled nuclear warheads, Iran has any right to complain. If they are seeking nuclear weapons because of fear, they certainly should not have them. That tells me they would use them if necessary. Remember: they vow for the complete destruction of Israel. They are involved in wars all around Israel and Saudi Arabia-Egypt. They sponsor terrorism. State-sponsored terrorism. Fear of the US does not come into this equation.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/pakistan/khan.htm

Who says they don't have nuclear warheads? They certainly have enough material and, looking at their centrifuges, have the technology. I am not saying they have them, but they certainly have enough materials for several already. This is why they want them at the table. They need to remember they are not the only nation in the world. They have been buying time much longer than necessary. The sanctions should never, and I repeat never, have been lifted and need to be placed right back where they were.

A group of people did not make me to feel the way I do.

I was just watching a clip of a guy called professor Kevin Barrett talking about 911 and in it he mentioned how dick cheney had said to the military that if there was another 911 event the military was to nuke iran without question, imediately

They weren't going to wait around to find any guilt on the part of Iran for whatever this attack was supposed to be they were just going to nuke Iran...boom!

So they already had a plan back then to try and set up Iran by creating a false flag attack of some sort so they could then hit Iran

It's my belief as i've said a few times now on the forum that they are still planning a new big false flag so they may yet try this

But the point i'm trying to make to you is that they have wanted to nuke iran from before obama was in office

Obama is just the changing face on the creature that lurks behind which is made up of powerful people like david rockefeller, henry kissinger, zbigneu bzrezinski and the various banking families etc

The politicians come and they go, but those powerful interests always remain there controlling the corporations including the banks and also the various government agencies and intelligence agencies and think tanks and societies etc

Iran is not calling for the distruction of israel in the sense of damaging the land or people it is speaking about israel as a legal entity (a country)

Iran wants the palestineans right to the land to be recongised and for that israel as it currently exists would need to change

 

[just me]

QUOTED"Iran is not calling for the distruction of israel in the sense of damaging the land or people it is speaking about israel as a legal entity (a country)

Iran wants the palestineans right to the land to be recongised and for that israel as it currently exists would need to change" QUOTED

I'm hearing you, but that's not what I'm hearing over the years.

 

[Skarekrow]

Because this is an MBTI forum and ultimately you and me are in a privileged position compared to the rest of humanity in that we often get insight into the personality types of the people whose views we get to hear

So for example if there were some types who were more likely to blindly believe what the system told them whilst there were other types who were more willing to question the system and see underlying conspiracies then that would be an interesting thing would it not?

I mean for example...that thread i'm talking about is attracting the usual suspects who like to pop up and bash so called 'conspiracy theorists' every opportunity they get (are they a psychological type?)

I've debated with all of them and proven them wrong on a whole bunch of issues and yet they continue to say that i am mentally deficient and defective!

here's the thing.....people are not rational creatures, they are emotional creatures capable of rational thought

So i believe that those people have an emotional investment in resisting trying to understand the conspiracy or to put it another way: they don't want to believe the conspiracy so they choose not to

Now under any other sort of circumstances that wouldn't be a problem, i would just think: 'well that's your opinion fine, let's go our seperate ways'

but the problem is that the rules of the game are changing as the system is making us act more and more in lumped together groups

So for example the vaccines issue. Now up until now if they want to choose to vaccinate themselves that's fine but the problem comes when they then want to force me by law to vaccinate my child, which is what we are now beginning to see creep in both in the states and in australia

So their lack of understanding about a sinister group of eugenicists who are trying to create a world government now becomes my problem because if they stand on the side of the eugenicists and say ''yes yes everyone must be vaccinated by law...you must be FORCED to be vaccinated'' then their ignorance is suddenly my problem because i will then have to be vaccinated because of their ignorance

So its not as simple as saying: ''well lets agree to disagree'' anymore because peoples ignorance is having real world effects on all of us

I'll give you another example.....the people in my country (scotland) have just overwhelmingly voted for a nationalist party because we are sick and tired of the corruption and pedophilia of the main british political parties. We have our own parliament with devolved powers so our politicians also have some say in the main british parliament

But a whole load of english people in their supreme ignorance have voted for a second term for the tory party and not just that they have voted them enough seats in parliament to give them a majority so they don't need to form a coalition government; this then gives a political party which is harbouring and protecting child rapists and murderers the powers to get rid of the human rights act and to create a 'snoopers charter' which allows the government to harrass anyone they want even if they can't actually prove the person has done anything illegal

So you see other peoples ignorance is becoming our problem

Muir, I get what you are saying.
I am saying - You are going to have a fucking heart attack or a stroke if you let the opinions of others effect you so.
Someone can start a thread called “Skarekrow Sucks” and I may tell them to go fuck themselves, but other then that, I could care less if they think I am sane or insane, smart, witty, idiotic, whatever.
It doesn’t mean I am not fighting those who are ruining our world…it just means that I believe in what I believe based on who I am, what I have learned and experienced in life, and my level of maturity….I don’t need to prove my sanity to anyone.
Even an insane man can have wise advice.

 

[muir]

QUOTED"Iran is not calling for the distruction of israel in the sense of damaging the land or people it is speaking about israel as a legal entity (a country)

Iran wants the palestineans right to the land to be recongised and for that israel as it currently exists would need to change" QUOTED

I'm hearing you, but that's not what I'm hearing over the years.

There's a lot of rhetoric on both sides

But if you look at the realities on the ground, Iran is not insane and would not pull off a suicidal move like attacking Israel or the US

However the US and/or Israel might carry out a false flag attack that could be blamed on Iran

So i'm saying be vigilent against that and as a US citizen oppose any move towards war whether with or wothout a false flag attack as a justification

Iran means you no harm and its thoughts on israel and the palestineans are shared by pretty much every country in the world except the US and Israel

 

[muir]

Muir, I get what you are saying.
I am saying - You are going to have a fucking heart attack or a stroke if you let the opinions of others effect you so.
Someone can start a thread called “Skarekrow Sucks” and I may tell them to go fuck themselves, but other then that, I could care less if they think I am sane or insane, smart, witty, idiotic, whatever.
It doesn’t mean I am not fighting those who are ruining our world…it just means that I believe in what I believe based on who I am, what I have learned and experienced in life, and my level of maturity….I don’t need to prove my sanity to anyone.
Even an insane man can have wise advice.

lol

I'm not worried about their opinion of me! I was trying to show how dumb their position is because in reality we ALL believe in conspiracy theorys and are in fact ALL conspiracy theorists

For example the official narrative of 911 is a theory that there was a conspiracy between some muslim extremists to hijak planes and crash them into targets; so the offical narrative IS a conspiracy theory!! Anyone who believes the government on 911 IS a conspiracy theorist!

Anyway I'm also sharing a perspective relating to the interdependent nature of society and how that impacts on the individual

What i'm saying is that we no longer have the luxury of just letting people have their own opinions anymore when their opinions involve hurting us

I'll give another example relevant to this thread

The authorities are listening by the way...they listen and record EVERYTHING. They call it listening to the 'noise' on the internet

So if enough people are saying online that they understand false flags and that they are wise to the ploy then the US is less likely to try and carry out a false flag on US soil for example letting off a nuke or dirty bomb in one of its one cities to then be able to blame it on Iran in order to then go to war with them as a major geo-political step on the road to the new world order

However if people are instead saying the stuff that just me is saying ie that we should go to war with Iran then it emboldens the conspirators

So its not really healthy for humanity to hold those kind of pro-war opinions anymore cos it could drag us all into a nuclear conflict; Iran for example now has defence pacts with China and Russia so an attack on Iran can pull those two into the conflict

I'm not sure what justme thinks will happen to him in a nuclear conflict with those powers but basically he would be converted to a puff of irradiated dust