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Flowers case highlights need to tackle psychometrics malpractice

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The Paul Flowers debacle is generating something of a backlash against personality assessment, and in some areas against the HR function itself. It’s not the first time psychometrics and HR have taken a bashing in the national press; so how do we in the industry respond?

According to reports, Flowers was selected as Chairman of the Cooperative Bank purely on the basis of psychometric test results. I have a nagging feeling that not only are we not hearing the full picture, but that psychometric tools have become the proverbial ‘fall guy’ for wider and more complex failings.

This hits at the heart of what HR’s role should be in executive recruitment — to provide expertise on assessment processes that ensure rigour and fairness.

Some have even suggested that the MBTI instrument was used to recruit Flowers — a tool that should never be used in recruitment — and that those in recruitment routinely use it to screen applicants. Whether or not this is true, the speculation suggests a profound misunderstanding of how to use psychology in the workplace. People seem to be muddled not just about which assessments are relevant to use, but also the part that psychometrics should play in the process.

We can’t know for sure, of course, whether this tool was indeed used and how widespread its misuse is, but clearly this is an issue the HR and recruitment community needs to address. Tools that evaluate personality type are designed and validated to assess an individual’s type or pattern of personality preferences; they are not designed or validated to measure skill levels or competence.
Blame user, not tools

Using tools like this for recruitment is a serious error — it’s simply the wrong tool for the job. You wouldn’t use a hammer to dig a hole — and if you did, you can’t blame the hammer if your desired hole is more of a dent in the ground. Two people can have similar personality preferences, but very different levels of skill. Crucially, people can also develop skill in things that don’t relate to their personality preferences, which is why you’ll find people of all MBTI types succeeding in all professions.

To really understand how someone will behave in a job and how competent they will be, recruiters need to use tools that are validated on this basis. Instruments that are proven to predict behaviour can help potential employers get an accurate picture of what kind of leader or decision-maker a candidate will make. And HR should be safeguarding that only relevant and appropriately validated tools which measure applicable traits are used — especially when it comes to high-stakes roles — and to speak out where this is not happening. In this way, HR managers position themselves as influential experts and thought leaders.

However, all of this is irrelevant if you don’t get the basics right. The Co-op’s board members seem to have decided that personality was crucial in the chairman role, and that someone who could take strong leadership was needed. Indeed, it’s admirable to aim to then measure these qualities objectively using a psychometric assessment, rather than relying on subjective opinions (or old boy’s networks).

But assuming that a candidate’s personality is all that matters is a huge mistake. How about the technical skills and aptitude required for the role (measured by an ability test or work sample exercise)? How about their experience in the sector and understanding of, in this case, finance? If these things are not assessed, personality tests can only give a partial picture — the key is rather to integrate tests into a rounded recruitment process, where all the different elements that are important can be assessed.

In the Flowers case, a genuine assessment of real competence seems to have been decidedly lacking — and the danger is that such malpractice is widespread, especially where tests are wielded by those with little expertise. This is where HR must take the lead — in ensuring psychological insights are applied appropriately to the recruitment process, and in promoting fair selection methods that are proven to work. HR professionals should equip themselves with the right information and understand best practice — and then demand to be heard.


- From: http://www.hrmagazine.co.uk/hro/fea...sychometrics-malpractice#sthash.DdetxOsh.dpuf


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This is relevant to what I posted yesterday, but I think it brings up a lot of good questions (mind you, I think the example of Flower is far more complicated than just MBTI). I think it brings up the great point of how complex an individual is- personality is just one component of an individual, and one competency. I think there's certainly a place for MBTI in HR, but it should be coupled with a variety of other metrics.
 
What happened to the cooperative bank was sabotage

It used to be a 'mutual' which is to say that it was owned by its customers. However due to a £1.5 billion black hole appearing in the accounts they have had to sell it off to private buyers

This is all part of the neoliberal process of moving everything into the hands of the global investors. Also the banks want to do a 'bail in' where they grab money straight from peoples accounts and they couldn't do this with the coop unless it was owned privately so they had to sabotage it; now they can raid the personal accounts of the many coop customers as well

They did this through expanding through dogdy purchasing of Brittania bank which was laden with toxic assets, thus damaging the previously healthy cooperative bank

Flowers is a deviant reprobate who is the perfect candidate to target for political blackmail due to his various weakenesses of character. He's the kind of guy the secret service love to set up with a classic honeypot scenario for example by filming them sleeping with a minor or smoking crack or whatever

He was a vicar and when he was with the methodist church he tried to set up a trade union to protect clergy who were accused of abuse. When he worked for the council he resigned when inappropriate adult material was found on his computer.

He was asked by the labour party to be on their finance advisory board despite his history and he helped arrange loans and other perks for the labour party from the coop bank

After he was investigated due to the black hole appearing in the coops finances he was secretly filmed buying drugs leading to him being called the 'crystal methodist'!

He had very little understanding of banking and when questioned by the treasury committee he was unable to supply even basic information about the banks finances

The guy was clearly a creep but i don't think he is solely responsible for the banks collapse. I suspect that others have used him and perhaps even applied leverage against him through blackmail

whats disturbing is how such a guy with such a past could get into the position in a bank that he could; this epitomises the kind of problems that come from centralised power and the damage that can be wreaked when the few at the top are corruptable
 
What happened to the cooperative bank was sabotage

It used to be a 'mutual' which is to say that it was owned by its customers. However due to a £1.5 billion black hole appearing in the accounts they have had to sell it off to private buyers

This is all part of the neoliberal process of moving everything into the hands of the global investors. Also the banks want to do a 'bail in' where they grab money straight from peoples accounts and they couldn't do this with the coop unless it was owned privately so they had to sabotage it; now they can raid the personal accounts of the many coop customers as well

They did this through expanding through dogdy purchasing of Brittania bank which was laden with toxic assets, thus damaging the previously healthy cooperative bank

Flowers is a deviant reprobate who is the perfect candidate to target for political blackmail due to his various weakenesses of character. He's the kind of guy the secret service love to set up with a classic honeypot scenario for example by filming them sleeping with a minor or smoking crack or whatever

He was a vicar and when he was with the methodist church he tried to set up a trade union to protect clergy who were accused of abuse. When he worked for the council he resigned when inappropriate adult material was found on his computer.

He was asked by the labour party to be on their finance advisory board despite his history and he helped arrange loans and other perks for the labour party from the coop bank

After he was investigated due to the black hole appearing in the coops finances he was secretly filmed buying drugs leading to him being called the 'crystal methodist'!

He had very little understanding of banking and when questioned by the treasury committee he was unable to supply even basic information about the banks finances

The guy was clearly a creep but i don't think he is solely responsible for the banks collapse. I suspect that others have used him and perhaps even applied leverage against him through blackmail

whats disturbing is how such a guy with such a past could get into the position in a bank that he could; this epitomises the kind of problems that come from centralised power and the damage that can be wreaked when the few at the top are corruptable


Yes! There's so much more to this story than MBTI! I almost didn't post it, because it's so entrenched in scandal.

I thought it was interesting though that they suggested HR hired him based on his MBTI....I wonder if that'll lead to any issues with it being used in future recruitment and hiring!
 
Yes! There's so much more to this story than MBTI! I almost didn't post it, because it's so entrenched in scandal.

I thought it was interesting though that they suggested HR hired him based on his MBTI....I wonder if that'll lead to any issues with it being used in future recruitment and hiring!

The problem with psychometric testing is that people can just lie

Not only does this NOT block psychopaths who are used to lying but it also will compromise the integrity of regular folks who feel they have to lie to get a job

Thats the thing about this system...it degrades people

I'm pretty gutted about the coop bank...it was an ethical and mutually owned bank but now its totally compromised by the banking cartel...its an absolute outrage because thousands of consciencious people banked with the coop because it was ethical and mutual

It should never have bought brittania....it didn't need to. The same trick was used to sink Royal bank of Scotland when it bought up another bank with toxic assets. There's no way their auditors couldn't have notice what destructive investments those purchases were going to be. RBS was announcing £9 billion annual profits before the crash so you'd expect them to a first class team of auditors!

This was economic sabotage
 
I read one site calling him a mix of 'destruction and vanity' which would make him the perfect puppet

he was given the job after ace-ing the psychometric testing which was chosen as a valid method by the chairman of barclays bank Sir David Walker who said banks should use objective methods to choose candidates

But barclays is mired in scandal itself being heavily involved in the LIBOR rate rigging scandal and currently in slashing its work force whilst simultaneously increasing the bonus pool for its top earners!

Also Barclays bank has a number of knights of st john on its board so i see the hidden hand of the secret society network at play here
 
The problem with psychometric testing is that people can just lie

Not only does this NOT block psychopaths who are used to lying but it also will compromise the integrity of regular folks who feel they have to lie to get a job

That's what I'm a little concerned about with the use of personality type testing. It forgets that people can lie, so how accurate can it be if you can simply answer how the company wants you to answer? Doesn't really assess competence, just ability to ace a test. You can ace the test and still be lacking in the skills or abilities needed to do the job.
 
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That's what I'm a little concerned about with the use of personality type testing. It forgets that people can lie, so how accurate can it be if you can simply answer how the company wants you to answer? Doesn't really assess competence, just ability to ace a test. You can ace the test and still be lacking in the skills or abilities needed to do the job.

So who does it let through: those that will tell them what they want to hear

Who does it block: those that are honest

So what kind of corporate culture does it create? The kind that has ruined the COOP and every other of the big banks that are now basically zombie banks
 
So who does it let through: those that will tell them what they want to hear

Who does it block: those that are honest

So what kind of corporate culture does it create? The kind that has ruined the COOP and every other of the big banks that are now basically zombie banks


These are important questions to ask.

makes you really rethink the validity of using metrics for HR.
 
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These are important questions to ask.

makes you really rethink the validity of using metrics for HR.

Definately but why stop there?

Why not re-think how we allocate resources as a society and as a global community?

:)
 
Definately but why stop there?

Why not re-think how we allocate resources as a society and as a global community?

:)

And to think the I thought hardest question I was going to have to answer today was 'what do I have for dinner?'

hehehe

I do agree that it's just a symptom of a larger issue!
 
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And to think the I thought hardest question I was going to have to answer today was 'what do I have for dinner?'

hehehe

I do agree that it's just a symptom of a larger issue!

lol

The snake has many heads, chop one off and two new ones will grow

So many people are engaged in various seemingly seperate struggles but things will only improve when enough people realise that it is all part ofthe same wider struggle and that to win that one we have to takedown the network at its core

But it certainly helps to identify the ways in which they operate and psychometric testing is one trick they are using
 
I don't necessarily believe that mbti shouldn't be used for recruitment - just to be clear, that was what the article said.

I do think that it should be the only thing used for recruitment. You can't place sole emphasis on MBTI...but it might be able to provide some context to an individual. However, I think my MBTI at work is different than my MBTI out of work... you have to recognize it's limitations.
 
I don't necessarily believe that mbti shouldn't be used for recruitment - just to be clear, that was what the article said.

I do think that it should be the only thing used for recruitment. You can't place sole emphasis on MBTI...but it might be able to provide some context to an individual. However, I think my MBTI at work is different than my MBTI out of work... you have to recognize it's limitations.

Absolutely. Mbti addresses few questions of a person (How they process information, what type of information do they process, what do they aspire to be good at, and what will they never be able to do) which are very important in understanding of what type of work someone should be doing. But the big problem is people not realizing that mbti is a tool to reach a deeper understanding of a person and where they may fit within the organization, instead of a doctrine to be followed at all costs.

There are other facets arising from mbti that a few friends have stumbled across. One important one is a healthy expression of a personality type. The current dogma is that your personality type is just a zero or a one and tells nothing more. We have observed strange typing of individuals that are expressing cognitive functions not possible in just one type. With further investigation it was found that cultural influences and dominant personality type within the family has influenced the forced development of a function that wouldn't normally develop. This has been beneficial to the client as the forced development can be an asset but, also clients where the forced development has caused a trauma which was not so beneficial.