Earth Core Heating - Global Warming - Herndon

[CogentPursuit]

Now I put this is the science section and not the political section for a very specific reason. This isn't a political debate about Global Warming itself. This is a request for data, information, or help in furthering my research in regards to a missing variable in the earths energy budget. Based on standard theories of what heats the earths core we can assume that the earths core produces a constant heat and therefore cannot be a contributor to the current global warming trend we see today. Unfortunately there is no way to take actual measurements of the earths core and really get any proof that the earths core is constant or is changing.

The only way to provide evidence of the earths core producing more heat is to do so indirectly by measuring temperatures in the deeper oceans. This shows that deeper oceans heat content are rising. https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade Although heat rises, the article attached says that the ocean is absorbing the heat from the atmosphere which is causing the rise in heat content of the oceans. I suppose this is possible except that the heat content rise of the deeper oceans are greater than the heat content of the more shallow waters.

Another aspect of the heating the core is the fact that earths crust would gain in pressure and get thinner as the deeper earth gets hotter. This would increase the amount of volcanic action and earthquakes that occur. http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthchanges/gallery/Climate/trend_volcanism_world_1875-2005.gif
https://www.bing.com/images/search?...344790913008&iss=VSI&selectedIndex=3&count=35
However earthquakes are also blamed on the drilling and fracking of the deeper earths crust.
The increased incidents of volcanic eruptions are blamed on increases of population. As the human race becomes more expansive they cover more territory and more incidents are recorded.

There also the magnetic poles shifting more rapidly which indicates a change in the earths core. http://www.collective-evolution.com...420-year-graph-of-annual-magnetic-pole-shift/ I am not sure what they are saying is causing this.

So far these four trends provide 'possible' evidence that the earths core has been heating very recently and the times of their occurrence are consistent with the increase of temperatures.

A scientist Herndon has theories that explain this and why this is all happening.

http://nuclearplanet.com/Herndon's Geomagnetic field.html

So the question is what can you give me in regards to earths core that surrounds this concept and can provide more evidence for or against the theory that the Earths core heat has been rapidly changing more recently?

 

[Night Owl]

You might have already heard of this, and it may not directly relate, but it certainly is applicable: Russian, Kola Superdeep Borehole

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole/

 

[sprinkles]

The reasons deep oceans are hot is because deep water does not give off heat as readily as surface water or shallow water, and because of ocean currents where you have several layers of water traveling around the entire earth - the cold and deep water from the southern hemisphere and Indian Ocean travels north through the Atlantic and Pacific where it heats up and rises to the surface then loops back down. So the large oceans have actually two layers of water, the warm surface water and cold deep water. This means that the water is not heating from the bottom up.

As for the earth's magnetic field, it is normal for it to flip every few thousand years or so.

 

[sprinkles]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation

 

[CogentPursuit]

The reasons deep oceans are hot is because deep water does not give off heat as readily as surface water or shallow water, and because of ocean currents where you have several layers of water traveling around the entire earth - the cold and deep water from the southern hemisphere and Indian Ocean travels north through the Atlantic and Pacific where it heats up and rises to the surface then loops back down. So the large oceans have actually two layers of water, the warm surface water and cold deep water. This means that the water is not heating from the bottom up.

Yes but why does the heat content rise more rapidly in the deeper layers than the upper layers? If you had a piece of really long tubing that pumped water through a tube in a circle, the heat content would be greatest near the heat source the torch/sun. But if you put a heat blanket/earth's core somewhere opposite of the torch the heat content would also be slightly greater there but not as great as the sun's side.

If you increase the water flow slightly the heat content in the tube will even out a little as it flows from the greatest source of heat to the opposite end. If you instead increased the heat source (torch/sun/greenhouse) the heat content would rise faster near the sun than it would near the heat blanket due to the blanket being the opposite of source that is increasing. If instead you increased the temperature of the blanket you would see the heat content where the blanket is rise more rapidly than the side where the sun is even though the torch/sun side still has the greater heat content.

So if oceans are absorbing 80-90% of the heat content of global warming then you would se the shallower layers rise faster in heat content than the deeper layers but this doesn't fit with the data I linked earlier on the heat content of the oceans..

As for the earth's magnetic field, it is normal for it to flip every few thousand years or so.

I am suggesting that during times of more thermal core activity we would both experience more heating of the atmosphere and oceans while also the shifting occurs more rapidly than it otherwise would, which is still very little, keeping in mind that the shifting occurs slowly over time.

 

[CogentPursuit]

You might have already heard of this, and it may not directly relate, but it certainly is applicable: Russian, Kola Superdeep Borehole

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole/

Thanks,

Some things that I especially noticed in relation to this discussion...

1) "At that depth researchers had estimated that they would encounter rocks at 100°C (212°F), but the actual temperature was about 180°C (356°F)— much higher than anticipated."
2) "Before the superdeep borehole project was undertaken, practitioners of Geology had reached a number of conclusions regarding the Earth’s deep crust based on observations and seismic data. But as is often the case when humans venture into the unknown, Kola illustrated that certainty from a distance is no certainty at all, and a few scientific theories were left in ruin. "

They mentioned a ocean floor drilling project also. I will have to look for some data on this.

 

[Eventhorizon]

So I have nit read any of the links here. However basic earth science shows the earth going through heating and cooling cycles but over all since its creation, its temperature has gradually reduced. The only constant keeping the earth warm being the sun.
Now, just as the earths axis degree is not static, neither is its distance from the sun. I put forth the idea that over time the earth gets a little closer to the sun in its orbit and then over time a little further away. This maybe the cause of our current global warming.

 

[CogentPursuit]

Ocean of Water believed to be near earths core
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html

Water actually found deep in the earth where it should have existed (theorized to be squeezed out of rocks under enormous pressure)
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole/

Naturally occurring reactor from billions of yeas ago caused by uranium and water
http://gizmodo.com/there-s-a-naturally-occurring-nuclear-fission-reactor-i-1475445638

50% of the earths heat generated accounted for by breakdown of uranium in mantle
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article...active-decay-accounts-for-half-of-earths-heat

 

[sprinkles]

Yes but why does the heat content rise more rapidly in the deeper layers than the upper layers? If you had a piece of really long tubing that pumped water through a tube in a circle, the heat content would be greatest near the heat source the torch/sun. But if you put a heat blanket/earth's core somewhere opposite of the torch the heat content would also be slightly greater there but not as great as the sun's side.

If you increase the water flow slightly the heat content in the tube will even out a little as it flows from the greatest source of heat to the opposite end. If you instead increased the heat source (torch/sun/greenhouse) the heat content would rise faster near the sun than it would near the heat blanket due to the blanket being the opposite of source that is increasing. If instead you increased the temperature of the blanket you would see the heat content where the blanket is rise more rapidly than the side where the sun is even though the torch/sun side still has the greater heat content.

So if oceans are absorbing 80-90% of the heat content of global warming then you would se the shallower layers rise faster in heat content than the deeper layers but this doesn't fit with the data I linked earlier on the heat content of the oceans..
I am suggesting that during times of more thermal core activity we would both experience more heating of the atmosphere and oceans while also the shifting occurs more rapidly than it otherwise would, which is still very little, keeping in mind that the shifting occurs slowly over time.

Shallow water heats up more quickly but it also cools off more quickly.

Interestingly where deep ocean water rises is in the northern Pacific and it does so because of the density of the water that is forced in due to evaporation in the Atlantic. Atlantic water gets evaporated which leaves behind salt, making the Atlantic more dense which causes the water to sink to the bottom as it travels south, and the stream traveling south forces less dense water north through the Pacific where it slowly rises, gets heated, and becomes less dense, causing it to move south and west where it splits and some goes north and cools off around Greenland and the rest goes south and cools off around Antarctica and the whole cycle repeats.

 

[CogentPursuit]

http://www.livescience.com/28248-deep-ocean-warming.html

As atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases increase, the Earth system is warming, and over 90 percent of that increase in heat goes into the ocean.

The warming in the deep Southern Ocean alone accounts for 34 terawatts of warming

This warming could offset some of a recently reported slowdown in the upper ocean's warming rate.

Global Warming stops at the same time the ocean abyss stops warming leaving the theory on the oceans absorbing the warming and causing the slowdown(stopping) of global warming in recent years a false theory.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/06oct_abyss/

 

[Eventhorizon]

Ocean of Water believed to be near earths core
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html

Water actually found deep in the earth where it should have existed (theorized to be squeezed out of rocks under enormous pressure)
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole/

Naturally occurring reactor from billions of yeas ago caused by uranium and water
http://gizmodo.com/there-s-a-naturally-occurring-nuclear-fission-reactor-i-1475445638

50% of the earths heat generated accounted for by breakdown of uranium in mantle
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article...active-decay-accounts-for-half-of-earths-heat

The idea of radioactive decay is very interesting. Ive never considered it. Seems like it would take a huge amount.
NASA has done nothing other than prove themselves to be fan boys of the man made global warming theory. Which is exactly what it remains, a theory. Taking on the general liberal tone of, "if you scream something loud enough it becomes real."
NASA is hardly made up a majority of actual climate science leaders. Funny they would claim to know the real story.

 

[CogentPursuit]

Helium-3 coming up from the mantle near California. Evidence of nuclear reaction in the earth.
http://www.livescience.com/51402-helium-leaking-from-earth.html

Geo-Neutrinos found w/ only a few coming from the mantle - Substantial evidence of a geo-reactor more than any other evidence found yet - Aug 2015
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33787562
-took a long time to find this and I couldn't find anyone reporting on this. At least it is BBC news and not 'skeptical science' or something else even less reliable.


-http://www.thefullwiki.org/Georeactor
A good overview of all the information


I think all there is to do is wait now. I am not sure when they will make the discovery the geo-reactor theory 'official' and change the science books. The world sometimes takes a while to be ready to accept such a large change in ideas.
Hopefully monitoring the neutrinos over time will help to determine what changes are occurring deep within our earth.

 

[just me]

Earth's internal engine is running about 1,000 degrees Celsius (about 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) hotter than previously measured, providing a better explanation for how the planet generates a magnetic field, a new study has found.
A team of scientists has measured the melting point of iron at high precision in a laboratory, and then drew from that result to calculate the temperature at the boundary of Earth's inner and outer core — now estimated at 6,000 C (about 10,800 F). That's as hot as the surface of the sun.
The difference in temperature matters, because this explains how the Earth generates its magnetic field. The Earth has a solid inner core surrounded by a liquid outer core, which, in turn, has the solid, but flowing, mantle above it. There needs to be a 2,700-degree F (1,500 C) difference between the inner core and the mantle to spur "thermal movements" that — along with Earth's spin — create the magnetic field.
The previously measured core temperature didn't demonstrate enough of a differential, puzzling researchers for two decades. The new results are detailed in the April 26 issue of the journal Science.
The centerpiece of the experiment was a new X-ray technique that takes measurements faster than before. Iron samples compressed in the laboratory typically last for only a few seconds, making it difficult to determine in previous experiments if the iron is still a solid, or if it is starting to melt.
The technique makes use of diffraction that occurs when X-rays, or other forms of light, hit an obstacle and bend around it. Scientists sent X-ray bursts at the sample and observed the "signature" of heating, which is a diffuse ring, that pinpointed the temperature.
These experiments pegged the melting point of iron at 4,800 C (about 8,700 F) at a pressure of 2.2 million times that is found on Earth's surface at sea level.
Extrapolating from that measurement, scientists estimated the boundary between Earth's inner and outer core is a searing 10,832 F, give or take about 930 degrees, at a pressure of 3.3 million atmospheres (or 3.3 million times the atmospheric pressure at sea level).
Participating organizations in the experiment include CEA (a French national technological research organization), the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) and the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility (ESRF).
Follow Elizabeth Howell @howellspace, or OurAmazingPlanet @OAPlanet, Facebook and Google+. Original article at LiveScience's OurAmazingPlanet.
- See more at: http://www.livescience.com/29054-earth-core-hotter.html#sthash.M0wzsds9.dpuf

Take a vehicle traveling 70 MPH and see how long it will last if all the coolants are removed. The more coolants we remove from the earth, the hotter the surface will be. Frack away. See thou hurt not the oil and the gases. Leave the water supplies sustaining life.
Tell me to water my yard once a week, while industries and mining are using and consuming water at a rate hard to believe. Crack the shale and rock everywhere and see what happens. We are all doomed if changes are not implemented. We need to see progress.

 

[Skarekrow]

Earth's internal engine is running about 1,000 degrees Celsius (about 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) hotter than previously measured, providing a better explanation for how the planet generates a magnetic field, a new study has found.
A team of scientists has measured the melting point of iron at high precision in a laboratory, and then drew from that result to calculate the temperature at the boundary of Earth's inner and outer core — now estimated at 6,000 C (about 10,800 F). That's as hot as the surface of the sun.
The difference in temperature matters, because this explains how the Earth generates its magnetic field. The Earth has a solid inner core surrounded by a liquid outer core, which, in turn, has the solid, but flowing, mantle above it. There needs to be a 2,700-degree F (1,500 C) difference between the inner core and the mantle to spur "thermal movements" that — along with Earth's spin — create the magnetic field.
The previously measured core temperature didn't demonstrate enough of a differential, puzzling researchers for two decades. The new results are detailed in the April 26 issue of the journal Science.
The centerpiece of the experiment was a new X-ray technique that takes measurements faster than before. Iron samples compressed in the laboratory typically last for only a few seconds, making it difficult to determine in previous experiments if the iron is still a solid, or if it is starting to melt.
The technique makes use of diffraction that occurs when X-rays, or other forms of light, hit an obstacle and bend around it. Scientists sent X-ray bursts at the sample and observed the "signature" of heating, which is a diffuse ring, that pinpointed the temperature.
These experiments pegged the melting point of iron at 4,800 C (about 8,700 F) at a pressure of 2.2 million times that is found on Earth's surface at sea level.
Extrapolating from that measurement, scientists estimated the boundary between Earth's inner and outer core is a searing 10,832 F, give or take about 930 degrees, at a pressure of 3.3 million atmospheres (or 3.3 million times the atmospheric pressure at sea level).
Participating organizations in the experiment include CEA (a French national technological research organization), the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) and the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility (ESRF).
Follow Elizabeth Howell @howellspace, or OurAmazingPlanet @OAPlanet, Facebook and Google+. Original article at LiveScience's OurAmazingPlanet.
- See more at: http://www.livescience.com/29054-earth-core-hotter.html#sthash.M0wzsds9.dpuf

Take a vehicle traveling 70 MPH and see how long it will last if all the coolants are removed. The more coolants we remove from the earth, the hotter the surface will be. Frack away. See thou hurt not the oil and the gases. Leave the water supplies sustaining life.
Tell me to water my yard once a week, while industries and mining are using and consuming water at a rate hard to believe. Crack the shale and rock everywhere and see what happens. We are all doomed if changes are not implemented. We need to see progress.

I think it is very sad when firstly...we still have people in the world with unclean water....secondly, companies like Nestle (not to mention the fracking industry) have drained the LA reservoir while the rest of CA is experiencing a drought and farmers in the valley cannot water their crops because it’s now getting to be more cost effective to sell the water to be bottled...which I find terrible and disgusting.
Good, clean water should be available across America...it certainly shouldn’t be sold as a commodity.
I pay my water bill, and for that I have certain expectations of what I’m getting in return.
Funny how places like Flint, MI have some of the highest water bills for poisonous water...*sigh*

 

[just me]

I think it is very sad when firstly...we still have people in the world with unclean water....secondly, companies like Nestle (not to mention the fracking industry) have drained the LA reservoir while the rest of CA is experiencing a drought and farmers in the valley cannot water their crops because it’s now getting to be more cost effective to sell the water to be bottled...which I find terrible and disgusting.
Good, clean water should be available across America...it certainly shouldn’t be sold as a commodity.
I pay my water bill, and for that I have certain expectations of what I’m getting in return.
Funny how places like Flint, MI have some of the highest water bills for poisonous water...*sigh*

Sometimes I wonder why the cities put so much into the waters they are pumping for human drinking, use, and other means of consumption. We are cracking our own infrastructure, playing with fire, and stuck on fasebook and tweiter, while we are being destroyed from within. So very sad.