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Common core dumbing down the US?

Look folks its all very simple

If we, the voting public are able to tell our arse from our elbow then we are able to make sensible political decisions

The corporate powers that control the government do not want to make sensible decisions so they do not want a public that can make sensible decisions to stand in their way

So they are going to dumb everyone down and distract them with the latest gadgetry whilst they go on raping the workforce and the planet

This is about making our kids thick as pig shit to politically dissempower them
 
Drawing on the same extensive evidence employed by Gilens in his landmark book “Affluence and Influence,” Gilens and Page analyze 1,779 policy outcomes over a period of more than 20 years. They conclude that “economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence.” Average citizens have “little or no independent influence” on the policy-making process? This must be an overstatement of Gilens’s and Page’s findings, no?
Alas, no. In their primary statistical analysis, the collective preferences of ordinary citizens had only a negligible estimated effect on policy outcomes, while the collective preferences of “economic elites” (roughly proxied by citizens at the 90th percentile of the income distribution) were 15 times as important. “Mass-based interest groups” mattered, too, but only about half as much as business interest groups — and the preferences of those public interest groups were only weakly correlated (.12) with the preferences of the public as measured in opinion surveys.
Gilens and Page frame their study as a test of four broad theories of American politics: “Majoritarian Electoral Democracy,” “Majoritarian Pluralism,” “Economic Elite Domination” and “Biased Pluralism.” “Majoritarian Electoral Democracy,” with its emphasis on public opinion, elections and representation, provides the theoretical backbone of most contemporary political science (including mine). The training of most graduate students (including mine) is primarily couched in that framework. But Gilens’s and Page’s work makes that look like a bad scientific bet, wishfully ignoring most of what actually drives American policy-making

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Reading through the papers of the Rockefeller Foundation’s General Education Board—an endowment rivaled in school policy influence in the first half of the twentieth century only by Andrew Carnegie’s various philanthropies—seven curious elements force themselves on the careful reader:

1) There appears a clear intention to mold people through schooling.
2) There is a clear intention to eliminate tradition and scholarship.
3) The net effect of various projects is to create a strong class system verging on caste.
4) There is a clear intention to reduce mass critical intelligence while supporting infinite specialization.
5) There is clear intention to weaken parental influence.
6) There is clear intention to overthrow accepted custom.
7) There is striking congruency between the cumulative purposes of GEB projects and the utopian precepts of the oddball religious sect, once known as Perfectionism, a secular religion aimed at making the perfection of human nature, not salvation or happiness, the purpose of existence.

The agenda of philanthropy, which had so much to do with the schools we got, turns out to contain an intensely political component.


This is not to deny that genuine altruistic interests aren’t also a part of philanthropy, but as Ellen Lagemann correctly reflects in her interesting history of the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, Private Power for the Public Good, "In advancing some interests, foundations have inevitably not advanced others. Hence their actions must have political consequences, even when political purposes are not avowed or even intended. To avoid politics in dealing with foundation history is to miss a crucial part of the story."
Edward Berman, in Harvard Education Review, 49 (1979), puts it more brusquely. Focusing on Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford philanthropies, he concludes that the "public rhetoric of disinterested humanitarianism was little more than a facade" behind which the interests of the political state (not necessarily those of society) "have been actively furthered." The rise of foundations to key positions in educational policy formation amounted to what Clarence Karier called "the development of a fourth branch of government, one that effectively represented the interests of American corporate wealth."
The corporate foundation is mainly a twentieth-century phenomenon, growing from twenty-one specimens of the breed in 1900 to approximately fifty thousand by 1990. From the beginning, foundations aimed squarely at educational policy formation. Rockefeller’s General Education Board obtained an incorporating act from Congress in 1903 and immediately began to organize schooling in the South, joining the older Slater cotton/woolen manufacturing interests and Peabody banking interests in a coalition in which Rockefeller picked up many of the bills.
From the start, the GEB had a mission. A letter from John D. Rockefeller Sr. specified that his gifts were to be used "to promote a comprehensive system." You might well ask what interests the system was designed to promote, but you would be asking the wrong question. Frederick Gates, the Baptist minister hired to disburse Rockefeller largesse, gave a terse explanation when he said, "The key word is system." American life was too unsystematic to suit corporate genius. Rockefeller’s foundation was about systematizing us.
In 1913, the Sixty-Second Congress created a commission to investigate the role of these new foundations of Carnegie, Rockefeller, and of other corporate families. After a year of testimony it concluded:
The domination of men in whose hands the final control of a large part of American industry rests is not limited to their employees, but is being rapidly extended to control the education and social services of the nation.
Foundation grants directly enhance the interests of the corporations sponsoring them, it found. The conclusion of this congressional commission:
The giant foundation exercises enormous power through direct use of its funds, free of any statutory entanglements so they can be directed precisely to the levers of a situation; this power, however, is substantially increased by building collateral alliances which insulate it from criticism and scrutiny.
Foundations automatically make friends among banks which hold their large deposits, in investment houses which multiply their monies, in law firms which act as their counsels, and with the many firms, institutions, and individuals with which they deal and whom they benefit. By careful selection of trustees from the ranks of high editorial personnel and other media executives and proprietors, they can assure themselves press support, and by engaging public relations counselors can further create good publicity. As René Wormser, chief counsel for the second congressional inquiry into foundation life (1958), put it:
All its connections and associations, plus the often sycophantic adulation of the many institutions and individuals who receive largesse from the foundation, give it an enormous aggregate of power and influence. This power extends beyond its immediate circle of associations, to those who hope to benefit from its bounty.
In 1919, using Rockefeller money, John Dewey, by now a professor at Columbia Teachers College, an institution heavily endowed by Rockefeller, founded the Progressive Education Association. Through its existence it spread the philosophy which undergirds welfare capitalism— that the bulk of the population is biologically childlike, requiring lifelong care.
From the start, Dewey was joined by other Columbia professors who made no secret that the objective of the PEA project was to use the educational system as a tool to accomplish political goals. In The Great Technology (1933), Harold Rugg elucidated the grand vision:
A new public mind is to be created. How? Only by creating tens of millions of individual minds and welding them into a new social mind. Old stereotypes must be broken up and "new climates of opinion" formed in the neighborhoods of America.
Through the schools of the world we shall disseminate a new conception of government—one that will embrace all the activities of men, one that will postulate the need of scientific control...in the interest of all people.
In similar fashion, the work of the Social Science Research Council culminated in a statement of Conclusions and Recommendations on its Carnegie Foundation–funded operations which had enormous and lasting impact upon education in the United States. Conclusions (1934) heralded the decline of the old order, stating aggressively that "a new age of collectivism is emerging" which will involve the supplanting of private property by public property" and will require "experimentation" and "almost certainly...a larger measure of compulsory cooperation of citizens...a corresponding enlargement of the functions of government, and an increasing state intervention... Rights will be altered and abridged." (emphasis added)
Conclusions was a call to the teachers colleges to instruct their students to "condition" children into an acceptance of the new order in progress. Reading, writing, and arithmetic were to be marginalized as irrelevant, even counterproductive. "As often repeated, the first step is to consolidate leadership around the philosophy and purpose of education herein expounded." (emphasis added) The difficulties in trying to understand what such an odd locution as "compulsory cooperation" might really mean, or even trying to determine what historic definition of "education" would fit such a usage, were ignored. Those who wrote this report, and some of those who read it, were the only ones who held the Rosetta Stone to decipher it.
In an article in Progressive Education Magazine, Professor Norman Woelfel produced one of the many children and grandchildren of the Conclusions report when he wrote in 1946: "It might be necessary for us to control our press as the Russian press is controlled and as the Nazi press is controlled....", a startling conclusion he improved upon in his book Molders of the American Mind (1933) with this dark beauty: "In the minds of men who think experimentally, America is conceived as having a destiny which bursts the all too obvious limitations of Christian religious sanctions."
The Rockefeller-endowed Lincoln Experimental School at Columbia Teachers College was the testing ground for Harold Rugg’s series of textbooks, which moved 5 million copies by 1940 and millions more after that. In these books Rugg advanced this theory: "Education must be used to condition the people to accept social change....The chief function of schools is to plan the future of society." Like many of his activities over three vital decades on the school front, the notions Rugg put forth in The Great Technology (1933), were eventually translated into practice in urban centers. Rugg advocated that the major task of schools be seen as "indoctrinating" youth, using social "science" as the "core of the school curriculum" to bring about the desired climate of public opinion. Some attitudes Rugg advocated teaching were reconstruction of the national economic system to provide for central controls and an implantation of the attitude that educators as a group were "vastly superior to a priesthood":
Our task is to create swiftly a compact body of minority opinion for the scientific reconstruction of our social order.
Money for Rugg’s six textbooks came from Rockefeller Foundation grants to the Lincoln School. He was paid two salaries by the foundation, one as an educational psychologist for Lincoln, the other as a professor of education at Teachers College, in addition to salaries for secretarial and research services. The General Education Board provided funds (equivalent to $500,000 in year 2000 purchasing power) to produce three books, which were then distributed by the National Education Association.
In 1954, a second congressional investigation of foundation tampering (with schools and American social life) was attempted, headed by Carroll Reece of Tennessee. The Reece Commission quickly ran into a buzzsaw of opposition from influential centers of American corporate life. Major national newspapers hurled scathing criticisms, which, together with pressure from other potent political adversaries, forced the committee to disband prematurely, but not before there were some tentative findings:
The power of the individual large foundation is enormous. Its various forms of patronage carry with them elements of thought control. It exerts immense influence on educator, educational processes, and educational institutions. It is capable of invisible coercion. It can materially predetermine the development of social and political concepts, academic opinion, thought leadership, public opinion.
The power to influence national policy is amplified tremendously when foundations act in concert. There is such a concentration of foundation power in the United States, operating in education and the social sciences, with a gigantic aggregate of capital and income. This Interlock has some of the characteristics of an intellectual cartel. It operates in part through certain intermediary organizations supported by the foundations. It has ramifications in almost every phase of education.
It has come to exercise very extensive practical control over social science and education. A system has arisen which gives enormous power to a relatively small group of individuals, having at their virtual command huge sums in public trust funds.
The power of the large foundations and the Interlock has so influenced press, radio, television, and even government that it has become extremely difficult for objective criticism of anything the Interlock approves to get into news channels—without having first been ridiculed, slanted and discredited.
Research in the social sciences plays a key part in the evolution of our society. Such research is now almost wholly in the control of professional employees of the large foundations. Even the great sums allotted by federal government to social science research have come into the virtual control of this professional group.
Foundations have promoted a great excess of empirical research as contrasted with theoretical research, promoting an irresponsible "fact-finding mania" leading all too frequently to "scientism" or fake science.
Associated with the excessive support of empirical method, the concentration of foundation power has tended to promote "moral relativity" to the detriment of our basic moral, religious, and governmental principles. It has tended to promote the concept of "social engineering," that foundation-approved "social scientists" alone are capable of guiding us into better ways of living, substituting synthetic principles for fundamental principles of action.
These foundations and their intermediaries engage extensively in political activity, not in the form of direct support of candidates or parties, but in the conscious promotion of carefully calculated political concepts.
The impact of foundation money upon education has been very heavy, tending to promote uniformity in approach and method, tending to induce the educator to become an agent for social change and a propagandist for the development of our society in the direction of some form of collectivism. In the international field, foundations and the Interlock, together with certain intermediary organizations, have exercised a strong effect upon foreign policy and upon public education in things international. This has been accomplished by vast propaganda, by supplying executives and advisors to government, and by controlling research through the power of the purse. The net result has been to promote "internationalism" in a particular sense—a form directed toward "world government" and a derogation of American nationalism. [emphasis added]
Here we find ourselves confronted with the puzzling duty of interpreting why two separate congressional committees convened fifty years apart to study the workings of the new foundation institutions, one under a Democratic Congress, one under a Republican Congress, both reached essentially the same conclusions. Both adjudged foundations a clear and present danger to the traditional liberties of American national life. Both pointed to the use of foundation influence to create the blueprint of American school life. Both saw that a class system in America had emerged and was being supported by the class system in schooling. Both called for drastic action. And both were totally ignored.
Actually the word "ignored" doesn’t begin to do justice to what really occurred. These congressional investigations—like Sir Walter Scott’s difficult to obtain Life of Napoleon Bonaparte—have not only vanished from public imagination, they aren’t even alluded to in press discussions of schooling. Exactly as if they had never happened. This would be more understandable if their specific philanthropies were dull, pedestrian giveaways designed to distribute largesse and to build up good feeling toward the benevolence of colossal wealth and power. But the reality is strikingly different—corporate wealth through the foundations has advanced importantly the dumbing down of America’s schools, the creation of a scientific class system, and important attacks on family integrity, national identification, religious rights, and national sovereignty.
"School is the cheapest police," Horace Mann once said. It was a sentiment publicly spoken by every name—Sears, Pierce, Harris, Stowe, Lancaster, and the rest—prominently involved in creating universal school systems for the coal powers. One has only to browse Merle Curti’s The Social Ideas of American Educators to discover that the greatest social idea educators had to sell the rich, and which they lost no opportunity to sell, was the police function of schooling. Although a pedagogical turn in the Quaker imagination is the reason schools came to look like penitentiaries, Quakers are not the principal reason they came to function like maximum security institutions. The reason they came to exist at all was to stabilize the social order and train the ranks. In a scientific, industrialized, corporate age, "stability" was much more exquisitely defined than ordinary people could imagine. To realize the new stability, the best breeding stock had to be drawn up into reservations, likewise the ordinary. "The Daughters of the Barons of Runnemede" is only a small piece of the puzzle; many more efficient and subtler quarantines were essayed.
Perhaps subtlest of all was the welfare state, a welfare program for everybody, including the lowest, in which the political state bestowed alms the way the corporate Church used to do. Although the most visible beneficiaries of this gigantic project were those groups increasingly referred to as "masses," the poor were actually people most poorly served by this latter-day Hindu creation of Fabian socialism and the corporate brain trust. Subsidizing the excluded of the new society and economy was, it was believed, a humanitarian way to calm these troubled waters until the Darwinian storm had run its inevitable course into a new, genetically arranged utopia.
In a report issued in 1982 and widely publicized in important journals, the connection between corporate capitalism and the welfare state becomes manifest in a public document bearing the name Alan Pifer, then president of the Carnegie Corporation. Apparently fearing that the Reagan administration would alter the design of the Fabian project beyond its ability to survive, Pifer warned of:
A mounting possibility of severe social unrest, and the consequent development among the upper classes and the business community of sufficient fear for the survival of our capitalist economic system to bring about an abrupt change of course. Just as we built the general welfare state...and expanded it in the 1960s as a safety valve for the easing of social tension, so will we do it again in the 1980s. Any other path is too risky.
In the report quoted from, new conceptions of pedagogy were introduced which we now see struggling to be born: national certification for schoolteachers, bypassing the last vestige of local control in states, cities, and villages; a hierarchy of teacher positions; a project to bring to an end the hierarchy of school administrators—now adjudged largely an expenditure counter-productive to good social order, a failed experiment. In the new form, lead teachers manage schools after the British fashion and hire business administrators. The first expressions of this new initiative included the "mini-school" movement, now evolved into the charter school movement. Without denying these ideas a measure of merit, if you understand that their source is the same institutional consciousness which once sent river ironclads full of armed detectives to break the steel union at Homestead, machine-gunned strikers at River Rouge, and burned to death over a dozen women and children in Ludlow, those memories should inspire emotions more pensive than starry-eyed enthusiasm.

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Sounds like this:
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Lotta steps and you got it wrong if you didn't show all your work. Now I don't know about you, but I usually never needed to write down any of these steps and I did always tell the teacher that the box was the biggest waste of my time. The answer, for me, was common sense and while I did get the answer marked wrong -though it was right- if I didn't do that damn box it still didn't take my common sense away.

The reason why they are doing this is because of this generations entitlement issues, and yeah, changes in the school system need to happen if this country of idiots is ever going to grow. Of course our generation is going to combat them every step of the way, because most all of us never understood how to be apart of the working machine as opposed to self righteous, self indulgent little bastards with our hands in our parents pockets. I know too many kids still living with their parents who don't have jobs and/or can't hold down a job because at one point or another they believe they don't have to follow the rules. Don't have a job because they believe they're better than working at McDonald's and in turn don't work at all. Waste their days and all in all their life. Pathetic excuses for existence have coursed out of this generation but Deity forbid the government or the school system put the next generation to work!

There is a reason why [MENTION=10252]say what[/MENTION] said she works out math problems like this out in her head the way common core teaches, the same reason why other countries and other places have their shit together and we don't. But yes, lets combat progress cause fuck people! It's just about us and us right now.

I don't know about you but I think the us right now looks pretty pathetic.
 
So weird question, can kids do math afterwards?
 
Sounds like this:
[video=youtube_share;WipeiPxKTCI]http://youtu.be/WipeiPxKTCI[/video]
Lotta steps and you got it wrong if you didn't show all your work. Now I don't know about you, but I usually never needed to write down any of these steps and I did always tell the teacher that the box was the biggest waste of my time. The answer, for me, was common sense and while I did get the answer marked wrong -though it was right- if I didn't do that damn box it still didn't take my common sense away.

The reason why they are doing this is because of this generations entitlement issues, and yeah, changes in the school system need to happen if this country of idiots is ever going to grow. Of course our generation is going to combat them every step of the way, because most all of us never understood how to be apart of the working machine as opposed to self righteous, self indulgent little bastards with our hands in our parents pockets. I know too many kids still living with their parents who don't have jobs and/or can't hold down a job because at one point or another they believe they don't have to follow the rules. Don't have a job because they believe they're better than working at McDonald's and in turn don't work at all. Waste their days and all in all their life. Pathetic excuses for existence have coursed out of this generation but Deity forbid the government or the school system put the next generation to work!

There is a reason why @say what said she works out math problems like this out in her head the way common core teaches, the same reason why other countries and other places have their shit together and we don't. But yes, lets combat progress cause fuck people! It's just about us and us right now.

I don't know about you but I think the us right now looks pretty pathetic.
shut up and obey.
 
It's probably because my(our) generation sucks at algebra so much so that they figured out they need to implement a system for kids where they absolutely have to show their work before they have their teenage rebellion. I know in adding and subtracting we didn't have to show work, and I personally carried that will me to multiplication and division and by the time algebra came along I still didn't want to show my work, but had to -or should have- because I was getting the problems wrong. It's a way to teach the kids to obey at a younger age, and if you ask me the kids need to learn how to obey. Our generation aren't entitled little shits because it costs too much to live, its because we all think we don't need to obey, we don't need a boss and we somehow can't understand how that hurts us in the long run.

It's not just about showing the work. They're putting actually stupid problems into the books. Like the "Friendly answer" ones. There are some problems that aren't even solvable.

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The idea maybe isn't all bad but their quality control at this point is COMPLETE SHIT and that is easy to see. The schools are showing gross incompetence in many places, and we're supposed to blame the kids? What's that about?
 
It's not just about showing the work. They're putting actually stupid problems into the books. Like the "Friendly answer" ones. There are some problems that aren't even solvable.

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The idea maybe isn't all bad but their quality control at this point is COMPLETE SHIT and that is easy to see. The schools are showing gross incompetence in many places, and we're supposed to blame the kids? What's that about?

Wait whats the answer here? :m125:
 
Did you learn that or was it just, you know, natural to do that?

Just how I naturally did it. I still do it that way too. I could never memorize the timestable, I just created a different way to do it - which typically involves going to the closest derivative for 10, and then ....I can never explain it..


soo....lets see...

72-58

7-5 = 2 ...20

2-8 = -6

20 - 6 = 14

I don't even think that really represents my math...I do math in my head with dots. I actually have to visualize the numbers as amounts. And in my mind I move them around.

This is kind of how I see it in my mind..

[video=youtube;icyA2QtB1VQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icyA2QtB1VQ[/video]

The hilarity that it's "Baby Math" isn't lost on me! hahaha

This method has always worked for me, and I can still do basic addition/subtraction in my head- so I guess it's ok!


Math is not my strong suit...except I'm good at stats for some reason....
 
Wait whats the answer here? :m125:

That problem isn't answerable. That's the point.

The mission statement of Common Core as it relates to math isn't all bad. The problem is that book publishers are putting out garbage, and this is known even by proponents of Common Core.

Publishers are taking advantage of the new thing to make a quick buck.
 
Just how I naturally did it. I still do it that way too. I could never memorize the timestable, I just created a different way to do it - which typically involves going to the closest derivative for 10, and then ....I can never explain it..


soo....lets see...

72-58

7-5 = 2 ...20

2-8 = -6

20 - 6 = 14

I don't even think that really represents my math...I do math in my head with dots. I actually have to visualize the numbers as amounts. And in my mind I move them around.

This is kind of how I see it in my mind..

[video=youtube;icyA2QtB1VQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icyA2QtB1VQ[/video]

The hilarity that it's "Baby Math" isn't lost on me! hahaha

This method has always worked for me, and I can still do basic addition/subtraction in my head- so I guess it's ok!


Math is not my strong suit...except I'm good at stats for some reason....


Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that, people have shortcuts.

The issue here is that they're trying to force kids to understand math in 100 different ways at once.

Everybody develops a way of solving. Those who are good at it can understand many ways to do it. Those who aren't so good at it don't need to have all 100 ways shoved down their throat at the same time - they need one GOOD way, the fundamentals, which will make the other 99 ways more easy to follow.

Those who are good at math will probably still be good. Those who aren't as good are probably going to end up worse. I don't think anyone will actually excel.

No child gets ahead.
 
Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that, people have shortcuts.

The issue here is that they're trying to force kids to understand math in 100 different ways at once.

Everybody develops a way of solving. Those who are good at it can understand many ways to do it. Those who aren't so good at it don't need to have all 100 ways shoved down their throat at the same time - they need one GOOD way, the fundamentals, which will make the other 99 ways more easy to follow.

Those who are good at math will probably still be good. Those who aren't as good are probably going to end up worse. I don't think anyone will actually excel.

No child gets ahead.

I certainly agree with this. Although, I think it's good for students to have a variety of ways to learn and understand doing math- as this allows individuals that learn differently to pick up tricks that would help them. For instance, when i was in school, we had one way of doing math and learning the times table- I struggled so much because I cannot commit things to memory really well. So I developed my own way of adding and subtracting to learn the times table! (eg. 9*6... 6*10 = 60, 60-6 = 54). I was lucky that I never needed to show my math, because I'm sure the teachers would have been like "WTF?" But, it would have been nice for me to have been taught a different way which might have catered to my own learning styles - or lack of math skills! I think it might have given me more confidence in my abilities of math, and pursue it a bit more.

i think a problem is when they're forced to do it one way- instead of doing it the way that best makes sense to them.

But- I have also not been in the k-12 curriculum in years, so I really don't know much about it!!
 
It's not just about showing the work. They're putting actually stupid problems into the books. Like the "Friendly answer" ones. There are some problems that aren't even solvable.

fvejqg.png


The idea maybe isn't all bad but their quality control at this point is COMPLETE SHIT and that is easy to see. The schools are showing gross incompetence in many places, and we're supposed to blame the kids? What's that about?

I don't doubt they're fucking up the process in order to make a quick buck, anytime money is involved people are more than willing to take advantage however, that question is question #15 and the only part missing to it is the number of friends the kid has, it is more than likely a follow up question based on things already stated. You can't tell me that with such an uproar from parents about this new method, that the loudest ones aren't plaguing the internet with misinformation simply to persuade others to their line of thinking. It's a thing that happens more often than not, just look at every political, religious, medical topic on this forum. Statements from angry people about any subject put in the form of fact will always be something that I take with a grain of salt.
 
I don't doubt they're fucking up the process in order to make a quick buck, anytime money is involved people are more than willing to take advantage however, that question is question #15 and the only part missing to it is the number of friends the kid has, it is more than likely a follow up question based on things already stated. You can't tell me that with such an uproar from parents about this new method, that the loudest ones aren't plaguing the internet with misinformation simply to persuade others to their line of thinking. It's a thing that happens more often than not, just look at every political, religious, medical topic on this forum. Statements from angry people about any subject put in the form of fact will always be something that I take with a grain of salt.
Even so, how many stickers are in a pack?
 
I certainly agree with this. Although, I think it's good for students to have a variety of ways to learn and understand doing math- as this allows individuals that learn differently to pick up tricks that would help them. For instance, when i was in school, we had one way of doing math and learning the times table- I struggled so much because I cannot commit things to memory really well. So I developed my own way of adding and subtracting to learn the times table! (eg. 9*6... 6*10 = 60, 60-6 = 54). I was lucky that I never needed to show my math, because I'm sure the teachers would have been like "WTF?" But, it would have been nice for me to have been taught a different way which might have catered to my own learning styles - or lack of math skills! I think it might have given me more confidence in my abilities of math, and pursue it a bit more.

i think a problem is when they're forced to do it one way- instead of doing it the way that best makes sense to them.

But- I have also not been in the k-12 curriculum in years, so I really don't know much about it!!

Yeah. That too is a problem.

You do it like they do apparently. I on the other hand have a mental odometer.

959 - 752 = 207 the numbers just tick right off the odometer, no carries.

1002 - 834 = 168 the carries just roll down the line. 998, 968, 168.

Not everybody has the same way, but a bajillion ways IMO is worse than one way with no choice.
 
Even so, how many stickers are in a pack?

1. It says nothing of packs, only bags and friends and how many stickers -period- no packs.
2. Show me the whole work sheet and I'm sure I could explain it to you.

That question, question #15 enveloped in a little black box, proves absolutely nothing to amplify your point.
 
1. It says nothing of packs, only bags and friends and how many stickers -period- no packs.
2. Show me the whole work sheet and I'm sure I could explain it to you.

That question, question #15 enveloped in a little black box, proves absolutely nothing to amplify your point.

How many stickers are in a BAG then.
 
How many stickers are in a BAG then.

? Lol do you want me to say that I can't solve the problem of how many stickers she needs to buy to distribute them evenly into 4 or 6 bags because not all the information is there? Because I have already said as much. It is also question #15 and only question #15 which is more than likely a follow up question to others where they had already stated the missing information. If you think you're going to prove a point to me by showing me as little information as possible and then telling me that because I don't know the answer you are right and I am wrong well, I just have nothing more to say.
 
? Lol do you want me to say that I can't solve the problem of how many stickers she needs to buy to distribute them evenly into 4 or 6 bags because not all the information is there? Because I have already said as much. It is also question #15 and only question #15 which is more than likely a follow up question to others where they had already stated the missing information. If you think you're going to prove a point to me by showing me as little information as possible and then telling me that because I don't know the answer you are right and I am wrong well, I just have nothing more to say.

I get your point. Still though.

Is she buying bags or is she buying stickers?

Which is the relevant number? It's switching between both. It says she wants to give bags of stickers, then says she wants to give the same number of stickers to each friend, then says she's not sure how many bags she needs, then asks how many stickers she needs to buy.

A bag could have any amount of stickers in it. If she has three friends, she could have six bags, two for each. We could assume that they're evenly divided but this does not tell how many stickers she needs to buy.

Is it bags or is it stickers? Sure, another earlier problem could give hidden information. That doesn't make this problem not ambiguously written.

She could buy a lot of stickers. Is she buying bags of stickers? Is she putting them in the bags? The amount of stickers one can buy and have none left over is undefined because the problem is not specific enough. If she only wants six evenly filled bags of stickers she could buy 60 stickers or 60,000 and it'd be the same.