The "I" mentality of Trump

A lot but not all of the boomer generation is exactly this, the worst I've had to experience with this sort of behavior is with family no less like disowning kids when there were teens back in the 80s etc. I am really done with people like this and they needed to be passed on long ago.
 
Would a simple "we" did this, or "together, we", crack his mentality?

Watched a fantastic movie many times: "The Accountant". The way two called at different times spoke so eloquently to speak as the one that led the investigations, they both answered how I would like to hear MY President talk. Is Trump really asking the world for a break for America(ns)? It was a team effort. Hopefully, this is a team effort. Trump needs our help, but has not to my knowledge asked for it.

If he had someone read this to him, he would probably think "what did I do wrong?"

I like the time he was waiting on what "he" would say or want to do. People wondered, who is this "he"? Glad he took the time to ask someone.
 
just me said:
Would a simple "we" did this, or "together, we", crack his mentality?
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Yes, but that ship sailed long ago. In the United States of America, the individual championing has been relentless. This is an essential element of the American myth, and furthermore, absolute atomization serves the interests of those in power. It is said no person stands alone, but if they believe they do, they accept their lack of agency with a quiet despair.

Social media was the final nail in the coffin inasmuch as people gave up community and chose virtual life.

Cheers,
Ian
 
From over here in the UK it looks to me that Trump is only the shell of the problem. The heart of it is the world view of the folks who vote for him, and the utter poverty of quality of a realistic Democrat rival to challenge him for the hearts of your people.

But this isn’t coming from a land of superior political governance - we have our very own brand of self-deluded idiots running the UK who are busy wrecking our society day by day.

The guys at the current summit in China must think their boat’s come in.
 
John K said:
From over here in the UK it looks to me that Trump is only the shell of the problem. The heart of it is the world view of the folks who vote for him, and the utter poverty of quality of a realistic Democrat rival to challenge him for the hearts of your people.

But this isn’t coming from a land of superior political governance - we have our very own brand of self-deluded idiots running the UK who are busy wrecking our society day by day.

The guys at the current summit in China must think their boat’s come in.
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Sometimes I realize this is the soup we all live in. I've found it insightful to read on Ainslie McLeod's young soul society and similar from Michael Teachings...whether or not you'd see these as pseudo or actually good metaphysical sources...they illustrate this mass "I" or I/You mindset.
 
rainrise said:
Sometimes I realize this is the soup we all live in. I've found it insightful to read on Ainslie McLeod's young soul society and similar from Michael Teachings...whether or not you'd see these as pseudo or actually good metaphysical sources...they illustrate this mass "I" or I/You mindset.
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There's loads on line about mass psychosis and existential inauthenticity, isn't there? But there's a trap in the way folks react to demagogues like Trump, which is that, in jumping outside the boundaries of the collective thinking that he represents, many folks simply jump into a different collective that opposes him, but which is just as collective and just as inauthentic.
 
Guess I've been sitting behind a desk too long.
@rainrise I did not know there was a mass "I" mindset out there. I was taught against using it if at all possible for obvious reasons. Thinking this way would fail a person in Literature from my long-ago teachers. I kind of thought its use was a lot more rare.

@John K Theirs are not simple jobs. Many over here voted for Trump because they were tired of the way things were. I do not think the average Trump voter was standing at the White House hopping fences. The world should relax about the people here. I voted for him, but it was a vote against what we had. Had no idea he would stir the pot as much as he is stirring, though I did expect some.

A lot can change daily, so it seems. I only hope those outside the USA have patience.

As far as China and other countries meeting and talking, can we blame them? We do not need WWIII.
 
just me said:
I voted for him, but it was a vote against what we had.
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I think I might have done the same if I were a USA voter - I suspect that many folks in your country were voting against what looked like more and more chaos rather than for tooth and claw Trump as such. He was the better choice of two less than perfect options, which says such a lot.

He is a demagogue though, and is a powerful fertiliser for collective rather than authentic thinking, which has frequently been dangerous to a society. It seems to me from a distance that the solution is not simply to attack him and what he stands for, which just strengthens him in his castle, but to establish a credible democratic (with a small 'd') alternative that appeals to a consensus of hearts and minds.
 
I voted for Trump, but only because I thought he was better than the alternative. Kamala is essentially a communist. She says things about her "equity" meaning that everyone should "end up" at the same place, which is essentially identical to communism.

I don't like Trump on a personal level, and I would have much rather preferred DeSantis, but that wasn't in the cards. I almost voted for a third party, but the only viable option I had was essentially socialist, so it was better than Kamala, but not by a lot. I like Vance a whole lot more than I like Trump.
 
I think part of the problem on the global stage is this sense of whiplash when there's a changing of the guard and extreme policy shifts because of a 51% vote.

For the man himself, the red flags (pun not really intended) have been in plain sight all along for anyone to see, and for most to willfully ignore. The fact that people would spend their own money to purchase a t-shirt that proudly declares that they're "voting for the felon" seems to signal a lot.
 
HeavyNeuralPayload said:
I think part of the problem on the global stage is this sense of whiplash when there's a changing of the guard and extreme policy shifts because of a 51% vote.

For the man himself, the red flags (pun not really intended) have been in plain sight all along for anyone to see, and for most to willfully ignore. The fact that people would spend their own money to purchase a t-shirt that proudly declares that they're "voting for the felon" seems to signal a lot.
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Global stage? Heck I suffer from the whiplash. It’s why I hate politics so much is the political discord and divide. I have both sides coming to me venting 24/7 about the other side and me constantly in the middle trying to talk reason saying you know if you put your differences aside you’re no different than those that you view as “other”. In reality we are one in the same and you are just scared for the future of your children just for different reasons but if you focus on what unites you versus what divides you then this country has so much inner potential. But basically talk to myself or to the wall because the talks I have goes in one ear and out the other and they go right into ranting about the side they deem different than them and I just eventually sigh, put my head down, and go back to reading my book feeling completely helpless and knowing that my talks with all of them makes zero difference whatsoever.
 
Hyacinth said:
But basically talk to myself or to the wall because the talks I have goes in one ear and out the other and they go right into ranting about the side they deem different than them and I just eventually sigh, put my head down, and go back to reading my book feeling completely helpless and knowing that my talks with all of them makes zero difference whatsoever.
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I feel this.

Yeah, nobody likes the middle rational position. Most people are on the extreme ends of things, or at least that is what everyone is always talking about. It's probably that the people in the middle don't care as much to be so loud about it. I even mentioned this in the first post on my blog.
 
I personally dislike shadowy World Economic People types more than I do Trump who at least believes in something. We see in tech too. Our tech giants of today are based on the search model and casting as wide a net as possible, and as a consequence they're scared of offending anyone and falling victims to whims of the day. The exception is Elon in the last few years, and he certainly sparks "love me or hate me" reactions in people.

We can agree that Trump is cringeworthy in the way he needs to be praised and adored. We probably all met people like that in the workplace, it's not that uncommon in some extroverts. They can still perform well despite, or because of, that.

It seems that voters/consumers now put a premium on (perceived) authenticity and leaders who believe in something, and aren't just following a globalist agenda. I mean Trump said what he was gonna do, and he did it. We see it in markets too, where a good narrative or a charismatic leader can offset a more rational and detached analysis (ala Warren Buffet style). In that sense It wouldn't surprise me if Conor McGregor becomes president of Ireland or that Tommy Robinson goes far in the UK, to the extent he is willing/allowed to go into politics.

Ours seems to be a time of left and right tails, people don't care for "midcurve" solutions anymore, be it in politics, markets or general lifestyle. That's why this meme template is so popular today:

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philostam said:
I personally dislike shadowy World Economic People types more than I do Trump who at least believes in something. We see in tech too. Our tech giants of today are based on the search model and casting as wide a net as possible, and as a consequence they're scared of offending anyone and falling victims to whims of the day. The exception is Elon in the last few years, and he certainly sparks "love me or hate me" reactions in people.

We can agree that Trump is cringeworthy in the way he needs to be praised and adored. We probably all met people like that in the workplace, it's not that uncommon in some extroverts. They can still perform well despite, or because of, that.

It seems that voters/consumers now put a premium on (perceived) authenticity and leaders who believe in something, and aren't just following a globalist agenda. I mean Trump said what he was gonna do, and he did it. We see it in markets too, where a good narrative or a charismatic leader can offset a more rational and detached analysis (ala Warren Buffet style). In that sense It wouldn't surprise me if Conor McGregor becomes president of Ireland or that Tommy Robinson goes far in the UK, to the extent he is willing/allowed to go into politics.

Ours seems to be a time of left and right tails, people don't care for "midcurve" solutions anymore, be it in politics, markets or general lifestyle. That's why this meme template is so popular today:

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Yeah they definitely prefer that you pick a side. Due to the fact that I consider myself an “Old soul” I will admit that I lean more towards the conservative side than the liberal mindset, however on that note I have never had the disadvantage of people misunderstanding me to the degree that they wished I were dead, tried to kill me, or tried to have me commit suicide as they looked on and filmed it quite like my kids have had done to them because they are bisexual and asexual. I have, however, had the luxury of people agreeing to disagree with me on certain topics and then leaving me be when I didn’t agree fully on something. On one topic I lean more conservatively, on another topic I’d lean more democratic than republican which made it really hard for them to relate to me on which party to group me into as they would tend to go along with their party regardless of whether or not they disagreed with a certain topic within that party’s platform. So due to others demanding to know which party I’d pick, I’d have to continuously shrug and say which topic are we discussing? Then smile on as they’d look at me in confusion expecting me to be just like them not realizing that my brain doesn’t exactly work that way. It’s not a one way type of thinking fitting into a narrow viewpoint, my brain is way more complex than that and each topic I have to break down into who all it affects, what outcomes would affect the most amount of people, and in return how many more would be harmed or not harmed if I voted a particular way.
I don’t think in the here and now I vote thinking of the future and how each vote would matter in the long run and if those particular issues, topics, or people in positions of power would affect the masses more negatively or positively. A lot goes into my thoughts and I have to admit it’s very exhausting thinking this way but I’ve learned to accept that it’s who I am and that every thought process I have requires this much time and effort. If there is a way to shut it off and make it more easy and “normal” for me then I don’t know how and haven’t yet learnt that skill.
 
John K said:
The guys at the current summit in China must think their boat’s come in.
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The future belongs to them and their successors. Trump and MAGA just represent a stumbling of an extra few steps down the steady down-escalator of western power.
 
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