Irrelevance of liberal, socialist and communist ideals in the modern world.

Eventhorizon

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Much like unions, some ideas are past having any relevance in the modern world. Though where unions had their time and place, liberal, socialist and communist ideals never have because they simply have never been able to stand on their own in the real world.
Liberal motivation collapses under its own weight. "We want this but we don't know how to make it work. You work for us and figure it out. Do as we say not as we do..." and so on and so on.
In the face of failed ideals such as these, why do the associated irrelevant groups continue to thrive like a festering wound in society? What steps are needed to cauterize the wound and disinfect it so that the world may heal and move on?
 
wolly.green said:
This is just hate speech without any substance. Which ideas do you want to critique? "Liberal" is a very broad, unspecific category.
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Hate speech? Can you detail what aspects of my initial post you see as that of hate?
Perhaps the misunderstanding comes from the definition of hate.
 
Eventhorizon said:
...why do the associated irrelevant groups continue to thrive like a festering wound in society?
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Christ almighty. Your OP is a mess and I don't know what points you're trying to make or what questions you're even asking.

My best guess is: you want to know why political theories that you believe are easily falsifiable and incongruent with modern society persist. Correct? The answer to that question is one that people have based their doctoral dissertations upon. But the core of it is that beliefs are inherently irrational and supported by fallacious thinking, therefore not easily dismissed by reason.
 
wolly.green said:
You lay the criticisms on without any details. Your OP is just attack attack attack without any explanation or proposed solution. This is what I mean by hate speech.
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My proposed solution is making sure people are informed. I can't agree with your definition of hate speech though. And yes, this inherently is an opinion because I recognize not everyone will agree with it. However none of this should keep a discussion from happening.
 
acd said:
It's baseless ranting. An uninformed opinion. If he were capable of better he might be ashamed.
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Come on acd you know that I am not easily ashamed.
:)
 
Eventhorizon said:
Though where unions had their time and place, liberal, socialist and communist ideals never have because they simply have never been able to stand on their own in the real world.
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Whose "real world' are we talking about? The real world where corporate power is concentrated and multinationals rule without any checks on their power, able to manipulate government to serve their needs instead of the greater good? Where crony capitalists are free to pay their workers as little as possible to maximize profits and people are just supposed to like it and be grateful they have a job? Where entitlements apply to the rich and corporate interests only and individuals who need support are free to go out on the street and beg? Where the military/industrial complex continues perpetual war so they can loot public coffers in the name of security. Where only the "little people" pay taxes and billionaires get away with paying nothing while enjoying the infrastructure and security paid for by all those little people?

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I know...it was so much better when there were no labor laws.
You can thank Unions for that.
All those who espouse their hatred of Unions have fallen for the bullshit corporate America has fed you...because it costs them more money to pay people a living wage and give them things like family medical leave.
Do you know how much paid vacation time most other countries give their employees, not to mention maternity leave?
Why are you fighting to shoot yourself in the foot? You are fighting to lower your wages and benefits by the tone of your rhetoric.
This is why we don’t have retirements and pensions anymore.
This is why people work 40+ hours a week (both spouses) to barely pay their bills.
Higher education being affordable? Nah...let’s privatize it...look how much money they are making now.
And Trump’s pick for Education Sec. wants to privatize the whole education system with her voucher program...(sorry, but your vouchers only cover 75% of the cost).
Such stupid liberals.
Derp.
 
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hush said:
This is one of the very few times in life that this video is permissible.
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I'm 5 hours into it and I still don't get it...
 
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