#idontbelieve in 2018

It's unfortunate the #metoo turned into a power play instead of just merely exposing how prevalent sexual abuse is in our society. Women hold a lot of power right now, which is corrupted and corruptible. It appears that the abused will turn abuser. That's the the typical way of things.
 
No offense, but that video is incredibly boring. It's true all, but how many people legitimately don't know that? A few fringe nutcases perhaps.
 
wolly.green said:
No offense, but that video is incredibly boring. It's true all, but how many people legitimately don't know that? A few fringe nutcases perhaps.
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Fair points, but not everything in life has to be maximized for entertainment and mass appeal. It's a niche video with niche concepts.
 
Wyote said:
Fair points, but not everything in life has to be maximized for entertainment and mass appeal. It's a niche video with niche concepts.
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It's boring because it's just a repeat of stuff I've listened to before. Not because it's not entertaining.
 
Reason With Logic Filling said:

The level of feminist hypocrisy is quite astounding at times.
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It's good that in her case, people are questioning the motives of the people accusing her of sexual assault as well as not forcing her to resign and protecting her right to due process. It would be even better if men accused of the same were afforded the same right to due process and were not automatically forced to resign before anything has been proven.

I think, however, that we all know this isn't going to happen. If she survives this incident she will go on denying the same privileges that she benefitted from to men in a similar or in some cases identical situations.
 
While I don’t doubt that there are hypocritical female feminists, I’ll just point out that the #metoo movement includes men. Notably, the accuser of Kevin Spacey is a man and Corey Feldman keeps talking about it as well.
 
Chickensoup said:
While I don’t doubt that there are hypocritical female feminists, I’ll just point out that the #metoo movement includes men. Notably, the accuser of Kevin Spacey is a man and Corey Feldman keeps talking about it as well.
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Okay... Has nothing to do with what I wrote but thanks for your input I guess.
 
What people don't understand is the insidious and virulent nature sexual misconduct. "Rules" and "consequences" are defied by the culture of a group or organization, especially in a university setting. A woman or man's concerns with misconduct can become especially null in a social or semi-social context. They will be laughed at, told its no big deal, they will begin to feel that they are overreacting, they will tell themselves that its no big deal, and the ordeal will be ultimately forgotten. It's too common. If I've seen it endlessly, all of you have too. This phenomenon is reinforced by those who truly do not understand or care for the psychological toll it takes of those being defiled.

MeToo is a group of individuals that know the disgust and humiliation of being violated and were once led to believe that it's normal to be violated. MeToo observes the comprehensive pain, humiliation, and injustice millions of people have faced because of a twisted, deeply rooted cultural norm. It gives ordinary victims a voice with which they can speak of their experiences and be listened to.

Isn't it extraordinary that the defining characteristic of this movement is that we are actually listening to victims now?

MeToo does not give "women" any unwarranted power. What it does is it gives validity to the accusers rather than the accused after generations of unspoken and unseen degradation with which victims had no power to fight. It heights consequences for suspects, man or woman, it drastically changes perspectives on misconduct, it unveils the pervasiveness of it, it disgraces suspects, man or woman, it opens our eyes to related happenings all around us. There has been a cultural shift that prioritizes accountability in even the smallest cases, and it makes people uncomfortable. It should. Potential suspects should be afraid of being accused, man or woman. Even if a single "man" were to be unjustly accused, as so many of you are particularly afraid of, criticism would not be so sharp, immediate, and drastic as we have seen in the media. There would be skeptics as always (as many of you are), and so women will not magically acquire the power to ruin men's lives. The only newfound powers that accusers will have are: (1) the unified and passionate support of millions of other victims who have become conscious to their past experiences with misconduct, (2) the courage to speak, and (3) the greater likelihood of being believed.

I've experienced sexual misconduct. I went to school in low-income neighborhoods. All through grade school, boys thought it was okay to touch girls' butts. My earliest memory is walking down the hallway in kindergarten and a kid named Erik kneed me on my butt. It continued on in middle school, through high school. Teachers watched it, other students watched it. Creepy dorks did it. I was mortified and felt like crying every time. No one was going to help me. I was a quiet kid, I was skinny, had acne, didn't talk much. I wasn't particularly attractive, I wasn't social, but for some reason men thought it was okay to touch me like a piece of meat. I still get sick thinking about it. Why did teachers let it happen?

Every woman you will ever meet has experienced sexual misconduct in some way shape or form. Ask them. Your mom, your sister, your girlfriend, your grandma, your cousin, your best friend. They have a story for you. Listen, and don't try to invalidate a movement because of its rightly obtained momentum and significance.
 
@fabiola1994 your post is so long and has so many things wrong with it that this is likely going to take me a long time to break down.

fabiola1994 said:
Isn't it extraordinary that the defining characteristic of this movement is that we are actually listening to victims now?
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There has been people brought to trial for sexual assault before the #metoo movement started
fabiola1994 said:
MeToo does not give "women" any unwarranted power.
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Why is "women" in quotes? Also who has decided what power is warranted for whom?
fabiola1994 said:
What it does is it gives validity to the accusers rather than the accused after generations of unspoken and unseen degradation with which victims had no power to fight.
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Once again, people have been brought to civil and legal trial for sexual harassment for decades. And as for the "gives validity to the accusers rather than the accused" isn't that the definition of prejudice? If you were accused of murder and your statements in your own defense were considered invalid whilst the accusations against you were considered valid- that puts you in the unenviable position of being unable to defend yourself, even if you were innocent.
fabiola1994 said:
It heights consequences for suspects, man or woman
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Heights consequences for women? I've yet to see that my above post was all about the male victims of a supposed female abuser being questioned about thier intentions and the veracity of thier claims in a way that is quite different to the way that the victims of supposed male abusers have been treated. Also i love that you use the word suspects, it heightens consequences for suspects. Yeah, just don't be suspected and nothing bad will happen to you- suddenly the Mike Pence rule of don't be around an unchaperoned woman makes a hell of a lot of sense when men are guilty of everything before any trial has even begun.
fabiola1994 said:
it drastically changes perspectives on misconduct
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by putting people's brains to sleep and appealing entirely to their emotions, yes yes it does.
fabiola1994 said:
it unveils the pervasiveness of it, it disgraces suspects, man or woman
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again use of the words suspects... so what happens in the unlikely event that you are proven inescapably innocent- like in the unlikely event that there is video survelliance of every time and place that an incident supposedly took place and its absolutely proven that you are innocent? Well you lost your career and earned the burning hatred of everyone around you... and no matter where you go or what job you apply to in life you'll always be defending yourself even though you did nothing wrong. and that's just IF absolute proof exhonerates you. Imagine if you're innocent and it is never proven.
 
fabiola1994 said:
There has been a cultural shift that prioritizes accountability in even the smallest cases, and it makes people uncomfortable
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Things got uncomfortable in Salem, Massachusets at one point as well
fabiola1994 said:
Potential suspects should be afraid of being accused, man or woman.
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Yes, yes they should. By the way, we are all potential suspects.
fabiola1994 said:
Even if a single "man" were to be unjustly accused, as so many of you are particularly afraid of, criticism would not be so sharp, immediate, and drastic as we have seen in the media. There would be skeptics as always (as many of you are), and so women will not magically acquire the power to ruin men's lives.
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Why is man in quotes? And no, not magically- women would practically acquire the power to ruin men's lives, which they technically already had.
fabiola1994 said:
The only newfound powers that accusers will have are: (1) the unified and passionate support of millions of other victims who have become conscious to their past experiences with misconduct, (2) the courage to speak, and (3) the greater likelihood of being believed.
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1) The backing of an angry mob 2) the courage to lie also if they are not a victim but so choose to destroy someone they don't like 3) You should look up what this kind of thinking has done to Isreal, you'll be amazed at what the effects are of totally removing any possibility of someone accused of rape defending themselves in court.
 
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fabiola1994 said:
I've experienced sexual misconduct. I went to school in low-income neighborhoods. All through grade school, boys thought it was okay to touch girls' butts. My earliest memory is walking down the hallway in kindergarten and a kid named Erik kneed me on my butt. It continued on in middle school, through high school. Teachers watched it, other students watched it. Creepy dorks did it. I was mortified and felt like crying every time. No one was going to help me. I was a quiet kid, I was skinny, had acne, didn't talk much. I wasn't particularly attractive, I wasn't social, but for some reason men thought it was okay to touch me like a piece of meat. I still get sick thinking about it. Why did teachers let it happen?

Every woman you will ever meet has experienced sexual misconduct in some way shape or form. Ask them. Your mom, your sister, your girlfriend, your grandma, your cousin, your best friend. They have a story for you. Listen, and don't try to invalidate a movement because of its rightly obtained momentum and significance.
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When the Soviet Union was formed many people under its oppression suffered immensley. Non-comformists were executed, peasant farmers starved to death in their own filth alongside their children and many other atrocities far more ghastly than that occured. Perhaps the ominous proposition that people might be trying to replicate this system in America is at least as bad as a butt pat. Due to these as well as other factors in America in the 1950s "The Red Scare" occured in which people whose only crime was that they had met a communist once or attend a single rally once were summarily dragged in front of House Of Representatives Un-American Activities hearings and called to answer for their crimes before they were fired from their jobs and effectively black-listed from society- and all before any kind of trial had even begun. Even so much as having a pro-gay agenda was enough to get you blacklisted as it was assumed that anyone who was pro-gay must have been a communist. When we look back on the hysteria and unfair treatment of people accused of being part of this threat, most tend to find this overly-emotional reactionary sentiment to be barbaric. I wonder if people really understand in this day and age that we are not yet free of our fallibility as humans or if they even understand that an idea may be popular and still be wrong or that an idea might be right but also over-applied regardless of context.

I leave you with scene from Star Trek: The Next Generation, as it is incredibly pertinent
"Vigilence Mr.Worf, that is the price we have to continually pay"
 
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