No longer a shared perception of reality

slant said:

I am so proud of ya'll for staying on topic and not turning this into a political debate

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In term of the unfortunete event of Charlie Kirk shooting, it probably has more to do with how people consume media today than a an actual difference in our shared reality which, to me, I got as the essense of your thread, and two some extent I do agree.

I mean I've had debates with people where we both agree on the intepratations yet our conclusions are somehow tototally different.

This kinda issue maybe more prevelant In my generation especially. Technology moved so fast that within a relatively short time, information became incredibly easy to access. Reaching a conclusion on new issues stopped being the main challenge — instead, it became about questioning everything and thinking critically about what we’re seeing and basically asking the right questions in the first place.

I think it’s important not to overthink these dynamics, but also not to oversimplify them.

At the end of the day, it really comes down to compassion for one another, and to setting boundaries between what we recognize as interpretation and what we agree are facts.

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

We can set natural boundaries naturally with our brains doing all the work for us. Funny how one boundary may be "stay away from hot water". We walk up to the secure boundary, take a shoe off, then test the water with our toes. Thus, we find ourselves more curious about boundaries because we just want to know.

"Don't take of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and evil", for example. We question the "why not" aspect of it more than we question those we can partake from.

I feel we should still think for ourselves the majority of times, so we can pass this down as we walk through life. Use the search engines to check things as needed, but stay away from checking AI as our "go to" source for thinking.

Compassion for one another? Exactly so. I agree whole-hearted.

I'll pay for your next two cents if you will share more with us. I, for one, like hearing from others.

just me said:

We can set natural boundaries naturally with our brains doing all the work for us. Funny how one boundary may be "stay away from hot water". We walk up to the secure boundary, take a shoe off, then test the water with our toes. Thus, we find ourselves more curious about boundaries because we just want to know.

"Don't take of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and evil", for example. We question the "why not" aspect of it more than we question those we can partake from.

I feel we should still think for ourselves the majority of times, so we can pass this down as we walk through life. Use the search engines to check things as needed, but stay away from checking AI as our "go to" source for thinking.

Compassion for one another? Exactly so. I agree whole-hearted.

I'll pay for your next two cents if you will share more with us. I, for one, like hearing from others.

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I like hearing from others as well. This forum is great in the fact that since I have been using it I have seen no real clashes of different viewpoints. People on it may not agree but then they simply agree to disagree and move on. There seems to be enough insight on here where someone will post something and someone else will say something to the effect of “well I hadn’t really thought of it that way” or “I can see how you’d think that way and can respect where you’re coming from” and there’s no over analyzing or putting words in one another’s mouths. There is only mutual respect towards each other. As a result I have learned a great deal of knowledge and the more I learn the happier I get especially if it’s in areas I’m interested in otherwise I may scroll through it and not post anything since I have nothing to contribute but I find this environment fascinating. All personality types can come together, bounce ideas off one another, and do so in an environment that welcomes out of the box thinking. This has been like a dream come true for me all my life.

just me said:

I'll pay for your next two cents if you will share more with us. I, for one, like hearing from others.

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Thank you.

Great reading this.

I honestly do feel that neither side should be trusted to run things on their own and that there are too many negatives otherwise society would just continue to degrade without there being some form of balance. Both sides should work together towards common goals even if it meant real dissatisfaction amongst the small minority of hardliners as society should be put first before politics and ideology.

It seems the accelerationists are in control.

I think the main drivers from which these narratives diverge have to do with identity and incentives.

You see yourself as X type of person so you will hold Y beliefs due to the incentives that holding such beliefs yield for you.

For example this last event with the ICE officer shooting of Renee Good, regardless of what you think the situation is, you can see how people depending on their identity are falling on one side or the other for what they think actually happened even when we can all see what happened from multiple angles on video.

What I'm basically saying is that people aren't really interested in the truth unless it benefits them in some way, and when the truth isn't convenient they make it make sense within a framework that vindicates their identity.

Thanks for the welcome. I was on a previous MBTI forum, but it looks like it died, so I'm basically a refugee. This is looking like a great place for conversation, so I hope to contribute meaningfully.

Wyote said:

I think I would take it a bit further and say that many people feel that their own identity structured perceptions are the truth.
And that truth must be impressed upon others for the sake of some self perceived good.

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Yeah, I think it's important to note that finding actual truth has very little bearing on your likelihood to encounter people's beliefs. There is a memetic quality to some of peoples identities, and human nature does seem to want to propagate these beliefs in a social setting.

I think that for those of us living in a post-scarcity civilization, we have the luxury of being able to adopt most sets of beliefs without that much downside, but we still want to fit within a community that will accept these beliefs, as that is the scenario where these beliefs may actually benefit them.

With it comes to the memetic, the principle is basically, whatever characteristics are good at reproducing more of that characteristic is what becomes the most prominent. As such, characteristics that lend themselves to changing on a dime (becoming something else) tend to not last that long.

here's a meme for ya