I know that @pale rider has been away from the computer and not able to address all of the questions here recently, so I decided to provide the research I found. I cannot say this represents Pale Rider's intentions for this thread, only that this is the information that I personally found related to this issue.
I wasn't sure if the legislation I found that Biden was trying to pass in 2021 was related to what this poll is asking.
Pale rider follows up in another post saying specifically:
"I'm speaking of illegal immigrants who have paid nothing into SS. Think it's is in bold type in the OP."
This is the core issue with this discussion, why it doesn't make sense and why I'm finding it hard to formulate a response. I think there may be a misunderstand of what 'alien' is referencing in this legislation that Biden is trying to pass. Definitions are super important.
The government run SSI website has a GREAT write up definitions I would like to share:
I posted the entire webpage (here is a link to it: https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/spotlights/spot-non-citizens.htm)
But it is important to go through the specific section which defines alien:
A noncitizen (also called an "alien" for immigration purposes) may be eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) if he or she meets the requirements of the laws for noncitizens that went into effect on August 22, 1996. In general, beginning August 22, 1996, most noncitizens must meet two requirements to be potentially eligible for SSI:
The questions should be asked:
Why would Biden, or any other elected official, seek to make it legal for people who have not paid into the SSI system to be able to receive SSI benefits? Think long and hard to come up with a good argument for that. The truth is, there is no argument for that. Instead, Biden's legislation (and many other similar ones) have been aimed at helping people who are considered aliens (non-citizens of the USA) who are working and paying into the SS system already to collect SSI later in life.
This is why I am confused by this thread, @pale rider . There are situations in which people who are not actual residents have obtained work authority and are paying into the system and would like to collect. There are situations where people who are not actual residents but have an false SSN identity are paying into the system. These are the people targeted by these legislation changes. I can't find any legislation that is specifically targeting people who never paid into the system. I think this is why no one is responding to this thread, it's a very confusing premise.
I wasn't sure if the legislation I found that Biden was trying to pass in 2021 was related to what this poll is asking.
Pale rider follows up in another post saying specifically:
"I'm speaking of illegal immigrants who have paid nothing into SS. Think it's is in bold type in the OP."
This is the core issue with this discussion, why it doesn't make sense and why I'm finding it hard to formulate a response. I think there may be a misunderstand of what 'alien' is referencing in this legislation that Biden is trying to pass. Definitions are super important.
The government run SSI website has a GREAT write up definitions I would like to share:
A noncitizen (also called an "alien" for immigration purposes) may be eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) if he or she meets the requirements of the laws for noncitizens that went into effect on August 22, 1996. In general, beginning August 22, 1996, most noncitizens must meet two requirements to be potentially eligible for SSI:
UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES MAY A NONCITIZEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR SSI?
IMPORTANT: A noncitizen must also meet all of the other rules for SSI eligibility, including the limits on income and resources, etc.
- be in a qualified alien category; and
meet a condition that allows qualified aliens to get SSI.WHO IS A QUALIFIED ALIEN?
There are 7 categories of qualified aliens. You are a qualified alien if the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) says you are in one of these categories:
In addition, you can be a “deemed qualified alien” if, under certain circumstances, you, your child or parent were subjected to battery or extreme cruelty by a family member while in the United States.
- A
"Cuban or Haitian entrant" as defined in Section 501(e) of the Refugee Education Assistance Act of 1980 or in a status that is to be treated as a "Cuban/ Haitian entrant" for SSI purposes.UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS MAY A "QUALIFIED ALIEN" BE ELIGIBLE FOR SSI BENEFITS?
If you are in one of the 7 "qualified alien" categories listed above, you may be eligible for SSI if you also meet one of the following conditions:
Refugee under Section 207 of the INA;
- You were receiving SSI and lawfully residing in the U.S. on August 22, 1996.
- You are LAPR with 40 qualifying quarters of work.
- Work done by your spouse or parent may also count toward the 40 quarters of work, but only for getting SSI.
Quarters of work earned after December 31, 1996, cannot be counted if you, your spouse, or parent who worked, received certain benefits from the United States government, based on limited income and resources during that period.- IMPORTANT: If you entered the United States on or after August 22, 1996, then you may not be eligible for SSI for the first five years as a LAPR even if you have 40 qualifying quarters of coverage.
- You are currently on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces or you are an honorably discharged veteran and your discharge is not because you are a noncitizen. This condition may also apply if you are the spouse, widow(er), or dependent child of certain U.S. military personnel.
- You were lawfully residing in the U.S. on August 22, 1996 and you are blind or have a qualifying disability.
- You may receive SSI for a maximum of 7 years from the date DHS granted you immigration status in one of the following categories, and the status was granted within 7 years of filing for SSI:
Asylee under Section 208 of the INA;
Noncitizen whose deportation was withheld under Section 243(h) of the INA or whose removal is withheld under Section 241(b)(3) of the INA;
"Cuban or Haitian entrant" under Section 501(e) of the Refugee Education Assistance Act of 1980 or in a status that is to be treated as a "Cuban or Haitian entrant" for SSI purposes; or
"Amerasian immigrant" pursuant to P.L. 100-202, with a class of admission of AM-1 through AM-8.
For purposes of SSI eligibility, individuals are not considered qualified aliens if they were admitted to the U.S. under the provisions of the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000. Their eligibility is subject to the proper certification in such status by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and possession of a valid "T" non-immigrant visa. Once the noncitizen obtains proper certification and is in possession of a "T" non-immigrant visa, they become potentially eligible for SSI. EXEMPTION
Certain categories of noncitizens may be eligible for SSI and are not subject to the August 26, 1996 law. These categories include:
FROM THE AUGUST 22, 1996 LAWS FOR CERTAIN NONCITIZEN INDIANS
noncitizen members of a federally recognized Indian tribe under Section 4(e) of the Indian Self–Determination and Education Assistance Act.ADDITIONAL ELIGIBLE NONCITIZEN CATEGORIES
Victims of Severe Forms of Human trafficking: You may be eligible for SSI under certain circumstances if the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement (http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/) and the Department of Homeland Security determines that you meet the requirements of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.
Iraqi and Afghan Special Immigrants: If you are an Iraqi or Afghan national who was admitted to the U.S. as a special immigrant, you may qualify for seven years of SSI benefits if you served as a translator or interpreter for the U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq or Afghanistan or if you worked for the U.S. government in Iraq.
Afghan humanitarian parolee or Afghan Non-Special Immigrant Parolee: You may qualify for SSI if you are an Afghan humanitarian parolee or Afghan non-special immigrant parolee. On September 30, 2021, Congress passed the Afghanistan Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2022 (Public Law 117-43) and Section 2502 of this legislation provides that Afghan humanitarian parolees, known as Non-Special Immigrant Parolees, may qualify for SSI until March 31, 2023, or until the end of their parole period, whichever is later.
Ukrainian humanitarian parolee: You may qualify for SSI if you are a Ukraine humanitarian parolee and were paroled between February 24, 2022 and September 30, 2023 (or paroled after September 30, 2023 if you are the spouse or child of such an individual), you may qualify for SSI until the end of your parole period.WE NEED PROOF OF YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS
If you apply for SSI benefits, you must give us proof of your immigration status, such as a current DHS admission/departure Form I-94, Form I-551 or an order from an immigration judge showing withholding of removal or granting asylum.
If you have served in the U.S. Armed Forces, you may also need to give us proof of military service such as U.S. military discharge papers (DD Form 214) showing an honorable discharge.
Your local Social Security office can tell you what other types of evidence you can submit to prove your noncitizen status.WHAT IF YOU HAVE A SPONSOR?
When you entered the U.S., you may have had someone sign an agreement with DHS to provide support for you. We call this agreement an affidavit of support, and we call the person who signs it your sponsor. If you have a sponsor, we generally will count their (and their spouse's) income and resources as your income and resources. Your local Social Security office can give you more information about these rules and how they apply in your case.BECOMING A U.S. CITIZEN
You can get more information about becoming a U.S. citizen by writing or visiting the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services website at www.uscis.gov or calling 1-800-870-3676 to get an application package for naturalization (DHS Form N-400).
THIS INFORMATION IS GENERAL.
FOR MORE INFORMATION, CALL 1–800–772–1213 (TTY 1–800–325–0778),
VISIT OUR WEBSITE (www.ssa.gov) ON THE INTERNET,
OR CONTACT YOUR LOCAL SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE.
I posted the entire webpage (here is a link to it: https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/spotlights/spot-non-citizens.htm)
But it is important to go through the specific section which defines alien:
A noncitizen (also called an "alien" for immigration purposes) may be eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) if he or she meets the requirements of the laws for noncitizens that went into effect on August 22, 1996. In general, beginning August 22, 1996, most noncitizens must meet two requirements to be potentially eligible for SSI:
- be in a qualified alien category; and
meet a condition that allows qualified aliens to get SSI.
The questions should be asked:
Why would Biden, or any other elected official, seek to make it legal for people who have not paid into the SSI system to be able to receive SSI benefits? Think long and hard to come up with a good argument for that. The truth is, there is no argument for that. Instead, Biden's legislation (and many other similar ones) have been aimed at helping people who are considered aliens (non-citizens of the USA) who are working and paying into the SS system already to collect SSI later in life.
This is why I am confused by this thread, @pale rider . There are situations in which people who are not actual residents have obtained work authority and are paying into the system and would like to collect. There are situations where people who are not actual residents but have an false SSN identity are paying into the system. These are the people targeted by these legislation changes. I can't find any legislation that is specifically targeting people who never paid into the system. I think this is why no one is responding to this thread, it's a very confusing premise.
