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Let's talk about feminism in the workplace or in clear career paths. Any topic is welcome, but to start:

Would you consider yourself a feminist? Why or why not?

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Feminist or not, tell us a story that you know which highlights either the oppression of women in the workplace, the disadvantages of being a woman in the workplace, the opportunities, the gains. Regardless what industry or field you're from, I'm interested to know your story.
 
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I like to think I'm a gender equalist but in a room full of testosterone that can't help to talk about women in an objectifying manner, i can't help but be a feminist. Actually scratch that. Each gender has its strengths and weaknesses. Even in a room full of sexist men, an attractive and/or intelligent woman can turn tables. Behind every successful man is a woman. True or false?
 
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MINFJToothFairy said:
Let's talk about feminism in the workplace or in clear career paths. Any topic is welcome, but to start:

Would you consider yourself a feminist?
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Unfortunately yes.

Why or why not?
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Because women and men should have equal rights.
 
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MINFJToothFairy said:
And/or

Feminist or not, tell us a story that you know which highlights either the oppression of women in the workplace, the disadvantages of being a woman in the workplace, the opportunities, the gains. Regardless what industry or field you're from, I'm interested to know your story.
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I don't know.

I once interned at a majority-woman company. Honestly, it wasn't too bad. I just talked about watches, nature, and did my job.
 
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MINFJToothFairy said:
Good for you. But why can't men help but talk about women like sex objects? Even when they're equals...
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I don't think this is a man-specific phenomenon. Plenty of women speak of men as sex-objects, especially in private.
 
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I'm a feminist in the sense that I believe in a woman's right to choose her lifestyle, appearance, gender expression, and to hold dominion over her own body. I'm also a feminist in the sense that I'm aware that patriarchal society puts undue pressure on men and boys and that the sexist door swings both ways. But... I struggle with the label as its presented in the current social conscious. I'm not a card-carrying feminist in that it colours my everyday experience and that I see everything through a lens of inequality, trying to measure out how many 'sticks' each side gets. Given the current political and cultural atmosphere, I kind of roll my eyes at most -isms because I believe in depolarizing society rather than fueling people's obsessions and inclination to pitchfork.
 
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sassafras said:
I'm a feminist in the sense that I believe in a woman's right to choose her lifestyle, appearance, gender expression, and to hold dominion over her own body. I'm a feminist in the sense that I'm also aware that patriarchal society puts undo pressure on men and boys and that the sexist door swings both ways. But... I struggle with the label as its presented in the current social conscious. I'm not a card-carrying feminist in that it colours my everyday experience and that I see everything through a lens of inequality, trying to measure out how many 'sticks' each side gets. Given the current political and cultural atmosphere, I kind of roll my eyes at most -isms because I believe in depolarizing society rather than fueling people's obsessions and inclination to pitchfork.
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Exactly! Actually I'm just pissed because remember that senior dinner? Well they were all men. It went well for me anyway but I couldn't help but notice how they tended to discuss women as if trophies or jewels to their egoes. Sorry. I've been to a lot of these soirees and meetings and men in my society (who are usually the ones up the ladder) always tend to talk of women this way. I laugh it off. Tolerant. It's cultural. But honestly it's annoying especially when they're not even a catch to begin with.
 
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MINFJToothFairy said:
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Exactly! Actually I'm just pissed because remember that senior dinner? Well they were all men. It went well for me anyway but I couldn't help but notice how they tended to discuss women as if trophies or jewels to their egoes. Sorry. I've been to a lot of these soirees and meetings and men in my society (who are usually the ones up the ladder) always tend to talk of women this way. I laugh it off. Tolerant. It's cultural. But honestly it's annoying especially when they're not even a catch to begin with.
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I shy away from labels and generalizations. I have used them in the past to create distance from people I didn't like, or to tell myself that I was better than others. I don't really like any -isms today. Closest I have today is preference for minimalism where it makes sense.

I try to see us all as equal and on our own personal journeys that mature and evolve at different rates. I'm not blind to sexism and I dislike it. That culture that you describe as a woman I dislike inversely as man. I don't see people as objects and always hated the "locker room" talk that happens when women are out of ear shot. I feel like a sexual accomplice that is getting roped into substantiating a wrong view which I don't share.
 
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