What am i politically?

[ESC2367]

I ask this because i never found politics to be a big part of my life... but I am just tired of hearing left vs. right.

I grew up in right wing culture. They really are kind people, until they find out you are trans... and even worse is when they end up misgendering another more imfamous trans... and you correct them... I was forced into silence because they do not want me to. (what ever that is called in political terms...)

On the other hand... the left wing tends to be a bit of a culture shock and just as close minded yet for different reasons. Although they are oppresive and quick to block. Is it because of my growing up in right wing culture that have people believe i am brainwashed by the right?

when taking a political test, i always get with in one space or on the dot of gandhi...

I am a moralist and Stoic. and very rarely identify with politics... because all i seen political viewpoints do was oppress each other and be instigators over each other. I just want it to stop.

This is why i have such disdain and such respect for trump... because he unleashed this in america. same goes for biden, and every other president since i was able to realize things.

I do not vote, i find it to be a popularity contest.


Vote Capeditiea 2024
Because we don't want Biden or Trump to win.

 

[ESC2367]

I forgot to mention i am anti-capitalist, but not a marxist....

 

[Ren]

I forgot to mention i am anti-capitalist, but not a marxist....

What kind of economic system would you favour?

 

[ESC2367]

Skill trade. Not like how it is now, where one is forced to work somewhere they don't want to.
More like a mutual love of what they do.

Say, i, as a musician would provide entertainment for people. You wouldn't have me do your plumbing, i mean i would try to figure it out... but no thiswould require a plumber. It would be a community effort, almost like a small town. where everyone knows everyone by what they do for everyone.

This is not by any means assigned duties. Humans survived this way for centuries before people like Berneys injected his capitalist agenda.

I don't know enough of various views. I just am anti-capitalist... the ignorance of my music because i don't have an income... (refer to the paragraph on living with right wingers.) in the state i live they can legally fire me with out telling me the reason, and this means they can discriminate regardless of EOE.

However, as time passes i found a way to overcome that kind of industry. Not by reading books, but by observing people in many cultures.

The happiest are those who are not tainted by capitalist agendas.

I am all over the place, sorry...

tm;dr we should be able chose what we want to do, as eventually what needs to be done would still be done. Money can force people to do things they don't want to do so they can live... i find that to be a horrible way to live.

 

[Pin]

I think my politics are in the European Center so that puts me on the United States Left. I don't agree with most Democrats because they're more Right-Wing than I am on most issues.

I don't identify as a Socialist but I'd be called that in the United States by American Right-Wingers because I don't swallow corporate propaganda.

 

[Roses In The Vineyard]

I don't really see myself being on the spectrum being able to accept some points from both sides however one point to make is that I am not a tribalist unlike most these days and generally not fond when one side or the other creates problems for society as the left has done in recent years. Tribalists are genuinely some of the most dangerous people in society hands down even when compared to hardened criminals that they'll do anything to push their goals no matter how damaging it is to others.

 

[ESC2367]

Can you expand on what a Tribalist is? :O they sound scary...

 

[Wyote]

Can you expand on what a Tribalist is? :O they sound scary...

 

[ESC2367]

that's what i was thinking.

 

[Ren]

Can you expand on what a Tribalist is? :O they sound scary...

Essentially, people who identify as members of a group (the 'tribe') prior to identifying as rational individuals, and who conceive of politics as constant power struggles between such tribes.

They think 'rationality' is the bogus discourse of the elite (just another tribe they are fighting against, in their view) and thus tend to defend their tribe's principles tooth and nail even against the most reasonable arguments.

The consequence is that it's impossible to have an actual discussion or debate with a tribalist. They will always conceive of your discourse as a subtle attempt to assert power for your own tribe (since they project tribal membership onto everyone else).

In a certain sense, it's a symptom of regression into an archaic type of mentality (prior to Antiquity).

 

[Ren]

I think my politics are in the European Center so that puts me on the United States Left. I don't agree with most Democrats because they're more Right-Wing than I am on most issues.

I don't identify as a Socialist but I'd be called that in the United States by American Right-Wingers because I don't swallow corporate propaganda.

I'd say you would be a social democrat in European terms, just like myself.

Regulated capitalism, political transparency, strong social policies.

 

[dZpADTLrPmX4c]

Politics is messy. I think it always has been. Wherever we have large groups of people trying to work together, well, it's complicated.

 

[ESC2367]

Politics is messy. I think it always has been. Wherever we have large groups of people trying to work together, well, it's complicated.

like... "I should tell people what yo do, believe, and eat."
"no, that should be me."
(and this repeats a few times among various others...)
then... okay how about we ask the people... we'll have a vote,
(they tell what they'd do for their underlings, like an hour long lunch break... or three 20 minure breaks.)

:O this kinda makes sense now.

 

[o2b]

What kind of economic system would you favour?

1. Government issues paper currency at 0% interest to the people for defined levels of goods and services. (No private central banking, no need for gold or silver).

2. Corporatism is abolished. Manufacturing and services provided by fellowships of living souls with full liability.

3. Commercial, fractional reserve banking (read: usury) abolished.

 

[o2b]

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed

The thing I struggle with is managing a safety net. Even though it appears to be a deviation from the above text, which I see as the purpose of government (just secure my rights and leave me alone), I am for it.

But, I think it has to be authorized and managed at a very local level. Such as at the county level.

 

[o2b]

Finally, a word on group-identity politics.

Marx did it up with the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. The groups are pitted against each other. While the desired outcome is characterized as some utopian ideal, the underlying morality is antagonistic, oppressed versus oppressor.

Been there, done that. Over 100 million lives massacred in the 20th century (Soviet Union, China, Cambodia).

The concept is the acorn, brutal enslavement and mass murder is the oak tree.

 

[ESC2367]

Yeah 20th century has been brutal for humanity... and the 21st century has to clean it up. Thanks Berneys.