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    Apparently the war is set to be ''officially over'' by 5 PM today, in which Obama will give a speech. They state there are still major conflicts in Iraq(well of course). What is your opinion on the validity of this? do you think there was any sort of convenience of ending this war at this time?. I am just glad its supposedly over as of now, this war was unneeded and hurtful to many.
     
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    The war may have been unneeded but there are several innocent people I met trapped in torture chambers for which the war proved beneficial.
     
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    Does over mean we get to pull the troops out? I wonder if Obama will share credit for this with Bush, considering that he labeled it "Bush war" all the way up to this. I am guessing he wont share any credit even though he didnt do anything.
     
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    Obama says around 50,000 will remain until early 2011. He states however, that they will not be set for combating purposes but mainly helping Iraq and advising the people leading it.
     
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    Troops have been returning without being replaced already. However we are leaving several thousand "advisors" there.

    So I guess it is over in the same way that the Korean War is over.
     
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    Kind of like the military "advisors" in Vietnam.
     
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    haha I replied before i read your reply, we are agreement on this, Bush had his mission accomplished moment, lets hope Obama gets his too.
     
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    Oh, I am sure Obama will take credit.
    The Dems are running against Bush again in this year's mid term elections after all.
    Both parties have the blood of this war on their hands.
     
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    First of all *cheers*. This whole war has brought a lot of shame to America, I am thankful it is finally ending. It sounds like the war in Afghanistan is still going strong.

    This was only a symbolic end to the Iraq war. All troops are out by the end of next year according to the below article:

    http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre67u1ij-us-iraq/

     
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    Obama talked to Bush on the phone already so it is obvious he will mention him in the speech he will make tonight. As for the end of the war, they have gone to great pains NOt to say that the war is over, just that combat operations have officially ceased.

    He does not want to have another Mission accomplished Bush the idiot moment.

    this war was atrocious, and the torture that went along with it was unnaceptable. Americans have values that are supposed to exceed the values of those we oppose.

    We lost the war the minute we tortured someone because we gave up our values for revenge, nothing more. It has been proven that torture leads to NO credible information. Cheney swore that one day he would reveal what was learned, but has onever done so.

    A war built on a lie, debased american values by our own actions ordered by the C-in-C, and billed to the world as a hunt for Al Qaeda, has accomplished nothing.

    Sad sad day for america.
     
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    How is it a sad day to be putting an end to that?
     
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    its a sad day that it existed, that we have had to go through this entire process, and as you can read from all the stuff written above, that the spin wars will be endless.

    Boehner has already pre empted the presidents speech by an hour to take credit for the victory.

    All that death and tonight it will culminate in who can score the most political points from it instead of just honoring the fallen, and moving america past a dark part of our soon to be history.
     
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    "It's not over till the fish jumps", I doubt this will be the end. Even if the war ends officially, I for see ongoing conflicts involving the US soldiers for years to come.

    I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
     
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    [​IMG] - press to start war. press again to stop war.
     
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    Actually, it made quite a bit of money for people that don't have any sense of moral obligation.
     
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    agreed on that count. It always surprises people when they are reminded that the US military is the leading global consumer of oil, and it constantly fights wars to continue its addiction.
     
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    Don't forget the opportunities not only for rebuilding what was destroyed but also the services rendered to defense contractors (XE Services), upkeep services (Halliburton), etc.

    An interesting article from a lil ways back:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/10/iraq.usa

     
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    Haliburton was paid all that cash for substandard work that actually killed servicemen in showers due to wiring issues. Mr Cheney took a 36 million dollar parting gift from Haliburton when he agreed to run for office as VP and his choices show what the company was paying for.

    http://www.examiner.com/ethical-iss...ute-political-waters-dick-cheney-s-pay-packet

     
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    What did you guys think of the Presidents speech?
     
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    Whenever I watch any of President Obama's speeches I cannot help but notice his blinking patterns. He doesn't blink that often. It's kinda weird.
     
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