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The US Economy Will Be Slag Within One Year

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Crazy title, right? Nobody could possibly know something like that and certainly it wouldn't be worth doing anything about if someone did happen to know because one person can't really do anything about the collapse of an idea like a national economy.

I doubt this is anything resembling a wake-up call but I do think it warrants a warning.

I predicted using the information available in 2007 when the economy would collapse in 2008 down to the month. This was while things were still riding high. I also have a signed and dated e-mail with a list of companies and industries to invest in which could have made someone (at the time) extremely rich. Had I had the money then I would be rich now. Sad thing that I'm a poor twenty something.

Still, after following the economics of the United States for the last few years I guess it needs to be said. You've got a year. Things will start to turn genuinely bad this October (2011) and will fall apart entirely late next year (end of September).

My reasoning is as follows.

Third quarter buying the last two years has indicated significant slow-downs without the typical consumer uptick associated with holiday spending and travel. Major economic indicators point to the end of unemployment benefits for more than half the currently unemployed persons who lost jobs in 2008-2009 (the 99ers...Google it if you need to know) also coinciding with a spending decrease.

During the fourth quarter of this year China will experience a significant slow-down which will also incidentally happen as their large economic bubble (artificially conflated land/housing prices not unlike the ones that crippled us) bursts. It is already showing extreme signs of stress as the Chinese economy is collectively propped up by 64 million un-inhabited properties remaining on the market.

The American economy is also buoyed by the Chinese ownership of American debt. Now here we have two options. If America defaults on our debts we face nearly instantaneous collapse. Three months and we won't be able to support our military abroad. If we raise the debt ceiling we buy ourselves a little time but not much. If our debt is no longer worth anything (I.E. if China's economy falls apart due to this bubble) then we're dicked. There's no way to properly describe it besides that. Total depression, massive inflation.

Europe will not be able to help us largely because they've decided to help Greece who is currently hanging like a millstone around their necks and dragging the Euro down.

Next year we will face a situation where we've made use of all of our major emergency measures and another bail-out isn't financially feasible. Political forces will work to prevent changes that would save the people with major wide-spread welfare initiatives and increased taxation of the wealthy and upper-middle-class.

Once done the American economy begins total collapse just after the election and finishes once more during the third quarter. Conservative or Center-right liberal forces making use of the recent Citizens United decision will flood campaign coffers with money to prop up agencies and their own power bases within the US government. Decision making will be crippled and foreign powers will separate themselves from us to keep from being yanked down when our own economy fails.

With the attacks on union membership there will be a shortage of skilled labor in states with the loosest union laws. The economies of states based on tourism will go first, followed by finance, then heavy industry, then education, and lastly agriculture.

You have a year.

Make the most of it. Don't invest. Gold and precious metals are worthwhile short-term but long-term they will fail to make returns adequate to keep you alive.

Save salable resources. Divest yourself of debt. Put off major purchases. Make sure you have an operational form of transportation (A bicycle is best). Move closer to where you work if possible. Lock in rent rates with land-lords. Attempt to save a significant sum of each paycheck and have at least 4 months living expenses in the bank.

Get room-mates or stay with family. People with more people living with them will have greater success. Learn to cook from whatever is on hand. If nothing else, learn to make mulligan stew but has a number of soups you can reliably create on short notice.

Small corporations will survive less effectively than the big ones but will be less likely to lay off thousands of workers if they do survive. If you are currently in school you will need to make sure you have some work experience.

I wish I had better news. I'll say there's a good future afterwards. Much of what we think of America is going to die off (perhaps not literally but metaphorically) next year. Many of our ideals will be tested and found wanting (in particular those saying we are anything more than human because we're American). It'll seem for a long time as though we've gone insane. Moreso than now.

We will come through it. Not America...but the peoples of this world.
 
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Have you read, "The Day After the Dollar Crashes"? Not really sure what to make of it, though. But it's good to be prepared.

Part I

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlkXPx2BMJs"]YouTube - ‪G BECK Pt 1 Damon Vickers DAY AFTER THE DOLLAR CRASHES Brad Thor Glenn FOX News‬‏[/ame]

Part II

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdt2SjG1Bz8&feature=related"]YouTube - ‪G BECK Pt 2 Damon Vickers AFTER THE DOLLAR CRASHES Brad Thor Glenn FOX News‬‏[/ame]
 
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Did you really just post something by Glenn Beck? I'm...I may need to go sit down for a few minutes and CRY.

This man's journalistic integrity has been compromised so far and so thoroughly that if he told me that water is wet I would need to fact check it at least three times from independent sources. I'd also want double blind studies to confirm water's dampness.
 
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Did you really just post something by Glenn Beck? I'm...I may need to go sit down for a few minutes and CRY.

This man's journalistic integrity has been compromised so far and so thoroughly that if he told me that water is wet I would need to fact check it at least three times from independent sources. I'd also want double blind studies to confirm water's dampness.

And why should I take you more seriously over him? Oh right, you predicted the 2008 economic collapse, I'm sorry >.>
 
viva la revolucion!
 
There really isn't any evidence for this. Our economy has recessions from time to time. You mostly talk about government debt, not private sector growth. There is a difference.

And steps have been taken to ensure this does not happen. Most of the stimulus money hasn't been spent. And Geitner tested the banks to ensure that they could survive a second dip.

We're on the path to recovery. One of the ways we do this is to STOP FLIPPING THE FUCK OUT and do our part. Have confidence and spend what you can, when you can.
 
After a good bit of laughter I have to agree with AUM without even watching the videos. Ad hominem a good argument does not make.
 
Heh, I know what you are thinking right now.

"People are idiots, these sheeple who won't listen and think for themselves. They are going to go down because they let others decide for them. But you know what? I'm going to have the last laugh, while they're panicking outside of their houses thinking to themselves, 'why is this happening to me?' I'm going to be, 'I told you bitches, but you wouldn't listen'. Why can't people see the same way I do?" *shakes head*

And if you aren't thinking this, I apologize, but I've been there a thousand times, thinking myself as the wizard who knows exactly what is going to happen. Then it happens, and I'm there with a grin on my face. However, there have been times when I've been very very wrong in my predictions, because I didn't have enough information.

To recap, I don't think it's your responsibility to warn others about your insights, some will listen, some will not. But whatever happens just think that everybody had a chance to think things through. There will be an outcome out of all of this. Which one will be? That is yet to be seen, and hopefully we will get out of it alright.

Like Gandalf from TLOTR said, "the board is set, and the pieces are moving."
 
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Did you really just post something by Glenn Beck?
I support this statement,

and raise you,

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JnDY2Gv5YQ"]YouTube - ‪Jon Stewart spoofs Glenn Beck's WACKO conspiracies. LOL!!! - Countdown‬‏[/ame]
 
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Move to deep south
Rent a spot on the camping grounds for a year ahead
Buy enough canned foods
Learn to do laundry in the river
Have enough books to read until the recession is over

Haha.
 
Move to deep south
Rent a spot on the camping grounds for a year ahead
Buy enough canned foods
Learn to do laundry in the river
Have enough books to read until the recession is over

Haha.
What recession?
There was a recession?
I can't remember that...
Oh, that's right,
our evil Marxist society wasn't affected by it.
I wonder what poverty is like.
 
[MENTION=3469]MikeA[/MENTION] Not sure about American market but Ukrainian is still striving. OUCH.
 
@AhSver I had to remove that part of my post before any American patriots saw it, otherwise all hell would break lose, since some can't take jokes very well.
 
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Since there are dates in this thread, can we start betting on it with actual cash? Ya know... the good stuff.

In the event that the American economy collapses, the LAST thing I'm worried about is my financial status. I dunno about the rest of you, but living in the center of the country with the highest gun crime rate in the world scares the shit out of me. I don't want to get shot by my crazy neighbors that are freaking out because the economy collapsed.
 
... I also have a signed and dated e-mail with a list of companies and industries to invest in which could have made someone (at the time) extremely rich. Had I had the money then I would be rich now. Sad thing that I'm a poor twenty something.

Can you show us this email?

...During the fourth quarter of this year China will experience a significant slow-down which will also incidentally happen as their large economic bubble (artificially conflated land/housing prices not unlike the ones that crippled us) bursts. It is already showing extreme signs of stress as the Chinese economy is collectively propped up by 64 million un-inhabited properties remaining on the market.

Why fourth quarter? I agree that the Chinese economy's a bubble. But predicting when that bubble will end, and in what manner - steady deflation or sudden popping - is a tough call.

The American economy is also buoyed by the Chinese ownership of American debt. Now here we have two options. If America defaults on our debts we face nearly instantaneous collapse. Three months and we won't be able to support our military abroad. If we raise the debt ceiling we buy ourselves a little time but not much. If our debt is no longer worth anything (I.E. if China's economy falls apart due to this bubble) then we're dicked. There's no way to properly describe it besides that. Total depression, massive inflation.

This isn't that simple - America can keep printing and borrow money, which will drag this out a lot longer than one year.

With the attacks on union membership there will be a shortage of skilled labor in states with the loosest union laws. The economies of states based on tourism will go first, followed by finance, then heavy industry, then education, and lastly agriculture.

Please explain how union membership and skilled labor have anything to do with your prediction.

You have a year.

I think something more accurate will be: "It's gonna get worse, but we don't really know when, and it may or may not be a year."
 
A year from now, if nothing happens, I'll have long forgotten about all of this...
BUT
If the economy does crash, I shall take the proper course of action...
by bumping this thread, of course!
 
What recession?
There was a recession?
I can't remember that...
Oh, that's right,
our evil Marxist society wasn't affected by it.
I wonder what poverty is like.
Yeah, it's funny how Americans seem to perceive of Norway as darned socialists and view themselves as freedom-loving free market capitalists despite the US's gov't spending as a percentage of GDP being 46.6% (41.9% when the entire DoD budget is subtracted), compared to Norway's 40.2% :p

(By the way, I'm pretty sure OP is intended as some kind of parody)
 
Chessie, I find it interesting you, at your age, are even interested in this. Does it bother you to have funds taken from your paycheck to pay for someone else's social security checks, while being told you will not see one? I call that fraud....have to call it like I see it.

I will look with a smile when one running for the White House uses his campaign funds to help our economy instead of throwing it at a system that is running dry. I will smile when a Congress and Senate starts cutting budgets with themselves, their retirements, and their health coverage.

Listened to a minister talk about how much money the church donated each year to missions. He meant well. He has a right to say such things. One man ordered a biscuit, another man a piece of toast, another a muffin, and the minister a full out breakfast(he ordered first). The man eating the piece of toast is working two jobs. I saw a reasonable comparison in our government there. The minister drove off in his Escalade. He may very well have earned what he is making and his benefits, but the economy is crushing those asked to continue their giving at the same levels and more than before.

Government is too big. School taxes are 60% of our local property taxes. Our state is rated in the last five or ten in education in the US. Busing people across town is a complete waste of funds. Instead of helping it is hindering education. It is a waste of resources. Until government has its budgets lowered to a level where they will make the changes necessary to keep things afloat, there is no hope for this situation. Too many people are sitting on their hands doing almost nothing while we pay them to do it. Winds, hurricanes, floods, fires, and other natural disasters have reasons, as they take away the weak and the rotten; the infected and the fallen. The winds of change are blowing. I wonder if there is one man or woman strong enough to stand up for what is necessary to keep things moving in a positive direction. I wonder.

While unions have their good points, they have also helped to drive our expenses up to a noncompetible level with many other countries. Labor is so much cheaper elsewhere in the world, the main unions that seem to be striving include those in the importing and shipping industries. Meanwhile, we have exported our biggest commodities overseas: our jobs. Less people working and less people spending mean less government funds. April 15th was an eye opener, but next year will be even more devastating if things do not start changing very soon.
Anything could happen.
 
And why should I take you more seriously over him? Oh right, you predicted the 2008 economic collapse, I'm sorry >.>

Everyone knew the economy was going to collapse once Obama and the Dems took over. Which happened in... oh right 2008.