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What's your opinion on the modern Catholic Church? Are they a force for good or evil? Do they represent Jesus' mission in a positive or negative way?

EDIT: "Modern Catholic Church" because we all know they've done a lot of bad stuff in the past. I'm more looking for a current view of how you think they're doing.
 
The modern catholic church is just the same as the old catholic church except now they can't publically burn people

The word 'catholic' means universal

The catholic church was a religion created from a range of religions to provide a universal state religion for the roman empire

The main religious influence on the catholic church is not jesus but the babylonian religion

Nowadays the church is pursuing something called 'ecumenicism' which is about pulling together all religions into one family. This is what the catholic church has always done which is to create a synthesised universal religion

They are currently synthesising a new religion for the new age and the new world order. The pope even called for the need for a world bank which is part of the new world order agenda

The last pope resigned to escape the scandal that was about to engulf him relating to his work in covering up the widespread rape of children by the catholic church
 
Do you honestly believe that?

Yes

They are still raping children, still covering it up, still trading in weaponry and still upto their necks in banking and fraud

They are a blight on the earth and have fucked up more peoples minds than most

They want us all to believe that you are born into this world guilty...that you owe a debt to them and their church as the alleviators of your guilt

They are emotional manipulators and hoarders of knowledge and they want everyone to empower them by giving them their money and psychic energy (for example by focussing your attention on them)

You are not born guilty and you do not need child raping priests to connect with your spiritual self

See this thread for articles on vatican corruption: http://www.infjs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24227&highlight=the+dope+the+pope
 
I love the new pope. He gets it.

Gives me hope.

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Nowadays the church is pursuing something called 'ecumenicism' which is about pulling together all religions into one family.

I agree. One world religion — one world government — all things to come. Read the book of Daniel and Revelations to find out more.
 
I love the new pope. He gets it.

Gives me hope.

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It's all just PR to try and improve the image of the church

But behind the PR facade they are still rotten to the core

http://ivarfjeld.com/2013/03/14/argentinian-franz-the-new-fascist-pope/

[h=2]Argentinian Francis I the new Fascist Pope[/h] This entry was posted on March 14, 2013 by ivarfjeld, in endtimes, False Christianity, Final Antichrist and tagged Argentina, Bible, Catholic, jesus, Nazi, pope, Vatican. Bookmark the permalink. 16 Comments
Argentine Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio is elected as the Roman Catholic Church’s new Pope.
Pope Franz will find it difficult to get all to believe he did not work with the Fascists.

Appearing on a balcony over the square, he asked the faithful to pray for him. Cheers erupted as he gave a blessing.
The 76-year-old from Buenos Aires is the first Latin American and the first Jesuit to be pontiff.
An hour earlier, white smoke from the Sistine Chapel chimney announced the new Pope’s election
Argentina’s President Christina Fernandez de Kirchner wished him a “fruitful pastoral mission”.
She is expected to attend the Pope’s inauguration Mass on Tuesday, as is US Vice President Joe Biden, himself a Catholic.
UK Prime Minister David Cameron said it was a “momentous day” for Catholics, while Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, leader of the world’s Anglicans, offered him “every blessing”.
Source: The BBC.
My comment:
To elect a Pope who has served under the Fascist dictatorships in Argentina, is a sign to the total moral degeneration of the council of Cardinals.
This is what Wikipedia has recorded:
On 15 April 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, as superior in the Society of Jesus of Argentina, accusing him of involvement in the kidnapping by the Navy in May 1976 (during the Dirty War) of two Jesuit priests.
The priests, Orlando Yorio and Franz Jalics, were found alive five months later, drugged and semi-naked. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.
My comment:
The new Pope seems to be not much different from Hitlers Pope, Pius XII. Pius “worked” with the Nazis, like Francis did with the Fascists in Argentina.
The new Pope is also the first Jesuit to be elected to the office of the “Holy see”. For the first time the Public Pope and the Black Pope, will become one and the same.
No more need for a separate Jesuit General on top of the Vatican Religious movement.
The Jesuit is particular, have been given secret orders to to sit on all sides of the table. They are given the the task as “educationalists” to bring us all in the the Universal Church, and into submission to the papacy.
Pope Francis seems to be the perfect Pope for a bid to get all of mankind into the new Universal Brotherhood. Pope Franz has lived under and accepted a totalitarian regime, and will not find it difficult to make his subjects accept the final antichrist.
Written by Ivar
 
I agree. One world religion – one world government – all things to come. Read the book of Daniel and Revelations to find out more.

If i'm not mistaken the bible also says there will be a giant war when two armies clash upon jerusalem...the armies of gog and magog

The jews will then according to the prophesy either become christians and join jesus in a new world or die

The two armies do indeed seem to be mustering strength

The US is giving bunker busting bombs to Israel which could be used on irans underground facilities, the US has just blocked a UN resolution that would make israel reveal the extent and nature of its secret (but not really secret) nuclear weapons cache and the US is paying raytheon to build a missile that can strike anywhere in the world in 1 hour

The US through NATO is also poking the russian bear by fomenting trouble in europe by orchestrating revolutions for example in ukraine and now in macedonia (money traces back to george soros). NATO is also aggressively conducting military exercises on russias doorstep, which would be like russia conducting military exercises along the mexican border!

The US is also pushing china in the south china seas for example by flying a spy plane over contested waters

The zionists have also created ISIS and unleashed it against the muslim world

So the zionists behind the US and Israel do seem to be pushing for a final armageddon
 
as a massively wealthy organisation with a long and intricate political history i think it is very much to be expected that certain aspects of its teachings and practices and structure, even very fundamental or key aspects, have no relationship to the mission or words of its central figure at all, either positive or negative.
 
Holy crap!~ Ivar from the internationally esteemed and verifiably accurate ivarfjeld.com says that!? It MUST be true!

No not just ivar.....if you click on the link i posted above it will take you to another thread which i filled with articles exposing vatican corruption

Also if you look at the photo you posted it shows the pope promoting 'red nose day' which is a charity called 'children in need' which has been revealed recently to be sitting on the money it takes in rather than spending it on the causes it espouses

Also if you take a look at history you will find that the vatican has a long and inglorious history of raping, torturing and burning people
 
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as a massively wealthy organisation with a long and intricate political history i think it is very much to be expected that certain aspects of its teachings and practices and structure, even very fundamental or key aspects, have no relationship to the mission or words of its central figure at all, either positive or negative.

If i said to you:

''there is a club in which many of the officials are raping children whilst the management of the club is covering up their crimes and that the club is the owner of the worlds biggest collection of pornography which they keep in a secret library that only they can access''

Would you want to join that club?
 
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/05/c...discovers-mass-graves-of-indigenous-children/

[h=1]Canadian Media Finally Discovers Mass Graves of Indigenous Children[/h] by Kevin Annett / May 22nd, 2015
It was eighteen years ago this month that I first handed to a Vancouver Sun newspaper editor a list of possible mass grave sites of Indian residential school children on Canada’s west coast, based on government documents and statements from eyewitnesses who buried children there. I and these witnesses were flatly ignored: not only then, but every other time over the subsequent years that we presented such evidence to the same newspaper.
Bone sample found at Brantford residential school mass grave, November 2011

Year after year, despite all our public protests, forums, and documenting of the location of the mass graves of these children, the Vancouver Sun‘s indifference to the worst crime in Canadian history continued. And this same blind eye approach was replicated by every other “mainstream” media outlet across Canada — even when, in December of 2011, these media received from me evidence of bone and clothing samples unearthed from the Brantford residential school mass grave. But lo and behold! Suddenly this past week, as if I’d never spoken to them, the Sun newspaper finally reported on residential school graves! I wasn’t mentioned in their article, of course; nor was the word “genocide”, or any of the hundreds of witnesses to these crimes that our work has given voice to since 1997.
Instead, a young, fresh faced graduate student nobody’s ever heard of received front page billing for her supposed “identifying” of children’s graves at the United Church residential school in Brandon: one of the very sites we had named to an oblivious Sun newspaper in March of 2008.
Did somebody say spin doctoring?
This past week, I searched for our eyewitnesses in Vancouver’s downtown eastside. I didn’t find one of them. They’re all gone now, either dead, bought off, or drifted off somewhere. So it’s safer these days for the killers in church and state to talk about the undeniable mass graves of their victims, through carefully manicured media stories that lead us nowhere.
That’s what the guilty do, after all: and they do it successfully, thanks to the cowed indifference and the five second memory of not only the drugged up public, but the legions of bought and paid for academic “experts” on our home grown Genocide that killed many tens of thousands of little children.
These days, I feel a lot like a solitary survivor of a lost continent, or people: watching as history gets rewritten, and reframed, so that the official truth, the land, and all the arrangements stay in the same bloody hands. But like my old buddy Joe Hendsbee, a blacklisted communist longshoreman used to tell me,
“When they gotta keep telling their Big Lie, over and over, it just proves they’re fucking desperate.”
Paraphrasing Joe, the author of The Art of War, Sun Tzu, once wrote: If an enemy commander repeatedly speaks soothing but false reassurances to his people, he has lost his power.
The Canadian establishment has in truth lost its power, and stands exposed as a corrupt and murderous regime, along with their sponsors in London and Rome: something that all the King’s horses and all the media spins won’t alter one bit. And nothing is absolved, and nothing can be healed, as long as that regime totters on, like a condemned ghost.
And that, dear readers, leaves matters in your own trembling hands. There is nothing compelling you to believe, or fund, or obey murderers in high office, or their laws. Why so many of you who are aware of these genocidal crimes continue to do so I chock up to habitual behaviour rather than deliberate collusion. But ultimately, that’s no defense, of course. For nothing has been absolved, and nothing healed.
Let me repeat that: Nothing has been absolved, and nothing healed.
Every crime, like every action, has its consequence that cannot be denied: that’s simply the Law of Nature. And so one of these days, when the child killers who wear clerical robes along with their paid journalistic hacks awaken to the fact that there is no escape for them or for their deeds, we will witness — even here in Canada — one of those lovely historic moments when the little shit on the big throne tumbles and falls.
And that’s up to us.
Kevin Annett is a proudly excommunicated former pastor of the United Church of Canada and a recovering Canadian. Read other articles by Kevin, or visit Kevin's website.
This article was posted on Friday, May 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am and is filed under Canada, Censorship, Genocide, Original Peoples, Propaganda, Religion.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...llarat-Catholic-school-photo-lives-abuse.html

[h=1]The tragic toll of child abuse: 12 of the 33 children in this 1973 class photo took their own lives after years of sexual and physical abuse at Ballarat Catholic school[/h]
  • Picture is the 1973 Grade 4 class of St Alipius’ Christian Brothers School
  • Philip Nagle is in second row from the front, fourth from the right
  • He claims 12 out of the 33 of pupils pictured went on to commit suicide
  • 50-year-old says this was due to sexual and physical abuse at the school
  • 'If more of my classmates come forward, less will commit suicide,' he says
By John Carney for Daily Mail Australia
Published: 09:31, 20 May 2015 | Updated: 02:09, 21 May 2015


It should be a photograph filled with happy childhood memories, but instead it tells the tragedy of a community torn apart by horrific child abuse.
The picture shows the 1973 Grade 4 class of St Alipius’ Christian Brothers School in Ballarat. In the second row from the front, standing fourth from the right with his head tilted is Philip Nagle.
As he looks at the image today, instead of bringing a smile to his face, it only stirs up feelings of sorrow and rage, as he claims 12 out of the 33 pupils pictured went on to commit suicide because of the sexual and physical abuse that took place at the school.
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Philip Nagle (circled) claims 12 out of the 33 of pupils in the photograph went on to commit suicide because of the sexual abuse that took place at the school

But Mr Nagle believes that what happened to his dead classmates will not be forgotten.
The 50-year-old was the first person called on Tuesday at the opening of the Royal Commission on Institutional Child Sex Abuse a paedophile ring involving Catholic clergy in Ballarat in the 1960s, '70s and '80s.
At the end of his testimony he asked for a minute's silence to honour his 12 fellow classmates. His only hope now is that more people will go public about the heinous crimes that took place at St Alipius so that justice can still be done.
‘If more of my classmates come forward, the less of them will commit suicide (in the future). Because the ones not coming forward are the ones who are killing themselves. Twelve in my class committed suicide,’ Mr Nagle told Daily Mail Australia.
Mr Nagle said that some did it indirectly after years of alcoholism and drug use, because they couldn't deal with what was done to them.
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Mr Nagle, 50, was the first person called on Tuesday at the opening of the Royal Commission on Institutional Child Sex Abuse

‘Some of them didn’t even make it to 50 years of age, some didn’t even make it to 40. They reach a breaking point and can't handle it anymore,' he says.
Some of Australia's most notorious abusers, including Gerald Ridsdale, Robert Best and Edward Dowlan, were part of a paedophile ring operating at St Alipius’ and St Patrick's College.
Mr Nagle, 50, was repeatedly sexually assaulted by disgraced Stephen Farrell who was a Christian Brother at the school.
‘He was our teacher at the time. Because Risdale and others were such serial offenders the likes of Farrell flew under the radar,' he told Daily Mail Australia.
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Gerald Ridsdale was part of a paedophile ring operating at St Alipius’ and St Patrick's College

Ballarat child sex abuse victims testify at royal commission
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‘Only three victims of Farrell have come forward – myself, my brother and another victim. From this he has 10 convictions. But because the likes of Risdale and Best had many victims who came forward and Farrell didn't, he got off lightly.'
Farrell didn’t even go to jail. He was given a two years and three months suspended sentence for his offences.
'The likes of Ridsdale got much more because his offences were so bad and more people came forward. But Farrell was part of the paedophile ring too,' says Mr Nagle.
He knows other victims of Farrell but he was warned by the police not to go victim hunting and is not allowed to name them.
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Ridsdale was jailed on paedophile charges in 1994 for molesting children between 1967 and 1987

‘I’ve spoken to a few of them but they’re not ready to do anything about it,’ he says.
What he had to endure at St Alipius’ is branded into his psyche. Nothing can erase the horrific ordeal he had to go through at the hands of Farrell.
'He was too strong for me. I was just a nine-year-old boy. He’d just get you alone, wrestle you down and sexually assault you,' Mr Nagle told Daily Mail Australia.
‘You’ve got to realise we were just little kids and they were full grown adults, so we had no chance.
‘They were supposedly men of God in their black robes. Priests and Christian Brothers were held in higher esteem that your parents back in those days, they were beyond reproach.
It all happened over a 12-month period. We were terrified. It ruined our lives.’
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Gordon Hill told the inquiry he was taken to the St Joseph's Home in Ballarat in 1946 and was initially abused by a priest when only five years old

He is still devastated that Farrell didn’t go to jail, and believes that suspended sentences for these types of crime are just unacceptable.
His comments came as Gordon Hill, 72, told the inquiry on Wednesday he was taken to the St Joseph's Home in Ballarat as a three-year-old in the 1946, and was initially abused by a priest at age five, in a place called 'the horror rooms'.
But Nagle's struggle for justice still goes on.
‘I don’t know what the inquiry will achieve unless they start getting some of these perpetrators to take the stand, but I was very happy with the process,' he says.
‘In Ballarat we’re called “survivors”. We get together as a group of survivors of this atrocity and try to help these other victims live.’
David Ridsdale speaks about Cardinal Pell and sex abuse
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"Modern Catholic Church" because we all know they've done a lot of bad stuff in the past. I'm more looking for a current view of how you think they're doing.

According to the BBC, there's 1.2 billion catholics in the world. There's bound to be rotten eggs and psychopaths in that group, considering the sheer number of members. I'm not interested in discussing the actions of those people, I would like to hear how you think the church as a whole is doing today. I have an impression that they're on the path to cleaning up their organization, but that it takes time. For example, the bishop I talked to said that the church is like a huge ship going through water. It doesn't shift course from one second to the next, it's a long process.

What do you all think about that statement?
 
According to the BBC, there's 1.2 billion catholics in the world. There's bound to be rotten eggs and psychopaths in that group, considering the sheer number of members. I'm not interested in discussing the actions of those people, I would like to hear how you think the church as a whole is doing today. I have an impression that they're on the path to cleaning up their organization, but that it takes time. For example, the bishop I talked to said that the church is like a huge ship going through water. It doesn't shift course from one second to the next, it's a long process.

What do you all think about that statement?

Yeah...the ship is a people burning, child raping ship and it won't change course

It's time to scuttle the ship and then step off it and let it sink without a trace

The higher up the catholic church you go the more rapists and psychopaths you will find because the inner order of the vatican is a hierarchical system of central control bent on controlling humanity and suppressing its creative expression

It's time to vote with our feet and stop supporting pedophiles and control freaks
 
If i'm not mistaken the bible also says there will be a giant war when two armies clash upon jerusalem...the armies of gog and magog

The jews will then according to the prophesy either become christians and join jesus in a new world or die

The two armies do indeed seem to be mustering strength

The US is giving bunker busting bombs to Israel which could be used on irans underground facilities, the US has just blocked a UN resolution that would make israel reveal the extent and nature of its secret (but not really secret) nuclear weapons cache and the US is paying raytheon to build a missile that can strike anywhere in the world in 1 hour

The US through NATO is also poking the russian bear by fomenting trouble in europe by orchestrating revolutions for example in ukraine and now in macedonia (money traces back to george soros). NATO is also aggressively conducting military exercises on russias doorstep, which would be like russia conducting military exercises along the mexican border!

The US is also pushing china in the south china seas for example by flying a spy plane over contested waters

The zionists have also created ISIS and unleashed it against the muslim world

So the zionists behind the US and Israel do seem to be pushing for a final armageddon

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION], let's stay on topic :tongue1:
 
What's your opinion on the modern Catholic Church? Are they a force for good or evil? Do they represent Jesus' mission in a positive or negative way?

EDIT: "Modern Catholic Church" because we all know they've done a lot of bad stuff in the past. I'm more looking for a current view of how you think they're doing.

[MENTION=5601]ezra[/MENTION] - What is the Modern Catholic Church meant to look like?
 
@muir , let's stay on topic :tongue1:

We ARE on topic...we are discussing the modern catholic church...

There is a network for example including certain groups who are all interlinked eg jesuits (the current pope is a jesuit), opus dei, the knights of malta, the CIA, the skull and bones etc

The 2 Bush presidents were both in the skull and bones and possibly some of these other groups as well. Bush senior was also head of the CIA

His nickname in the skull and bones was 'magog'

His father was a wallstreet banker with ties to the rockefellers who was investigated during world war 2 for helping to fund the nazis

The nazis and their gold has been linked to the vatican and the previous pope was a hitler youth member

Another of the bush's ancestors was a zionist author who wrote some zionist propaganda book with the words 'dust' in the title (if i remember rightly)

So i am on topic if you want to discuss the modern catholic church

The modern catholic church is a BUSINESS and a criminal syndicate linked to the mafia and the CIA and countless documented crimes. It runs banks and various investments for example being one of the major shareholders in the italian weapons company beretta

Why anyone would have anything to do with them is beyond me......people would need to be incredibly ignorant of reality or sick in the head to give support to such an organisation
 
According to the BBC, there's 1.2 billion catholics in the world. There's bound to be rotten eggs and psychopaths in that group, considering the sheer number of members. I'm not interested in discussing the actions of those people, I would like to hear how you think the church as a whole is doing today. I have an impression that they're on the path to cleaning up their organization, but that it takes time. For example, the bishop I talked to said that the church is like a huge ship going through water. It doesn't shift course from one second to the next, it's a long process.

What do you all think about that statement?

Modernising the mission of Jesus is not the answer (IMO, of course). I think we need to get back to what it means to be a Christian/Catholic ie the gospel is a very simple message — I’ve broken God’s law, it’s about repentance (to turn around and put my trust in Jesus), it’s about redemption, new birth and having a relationship with God. For me, it’s all about the cross rather than appealing to the masses.

Are they a force for good or evil?

The bible tells us to “discern the signs of the times” which to me means that things (world events) will begin to unfold and become clearer as we draw closer to the end times. Again only my opinion but I think some of the persecution of Christians will come from the church itself.

We are living in interesting times so I’m going to remain vigilant and test everything as deception is on the increase.

Luke 21:34-37
34 ‘Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap.35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.’
 
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