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While Clinton has the resume, connections and ability to govern, and is a strong, determined woman....I gotta say Sanders is hands down the most Democratic Democrat to run for Pres in a generation.

His stand on campaign finance is enough to get my vote, but I also firmly believe that while affordable healthcare act is better than nothing it is clear that there is not substitute for fully funded universal public healthcare.

His stand on spending tax dollars on benefiting the general public rather then the wealthy deserve very close attention.

And we are spending way too much money on war and our ability to wage it.
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I love this headline
Clinton criticizes lax campaign finance laws between two L.A.-area fundraisers
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Clinton's position was not new, but her statement occurred the same day that she headlined fundraisers in Santa Monica and Hollywood, and the same day Politico reported that a couple could buy seats at the head table at a Clinton Bay Area fundraiser next month alongside George and Amal Clooney by contributing or raising $353,400 for various Democratic groups.
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Between these two hands down it would be Sanders. There is not a more corrupt scheming person on the planet than Hillary Clinton. She cares nothing for human life other than her own. National Security is a joke to her. She apparently doesn't know how to use a fax machine. She takes money from wall street interests. She flip flops on almost everything she says.
 
Sanders, Sanders, Sanders.
 
I actually went and caucused for the first time in my life today. It was kind of interesting... I don't think I really like the format for selecting the candidates but interesting nonetheless. It was 1 little old lady for Clinton and 7 of us for Sanders at our precinct table. Out of the 4 delegates we had, her one vote grabbed a delegate for Clinton. The little old lady would have been happy with Sanders but thought that Clinton had more foreign policy experience. The discussions we had were civil and everyone was able to discuss their likes and dislikes without anyone throwing childish temper tantrums or talking about nuking Muslims. In fact one lady was a Muslim.

Everyone seemed to be on the same page that if Sanders didn't make it we would hold our noses and vote Clinton. The consensus was that a Republican win would be more than terrible with the current state of their party and their rhetoric.
 
This is a strange boat to be in. If Sanders gets the nomination, it means Trump will be President. If Hillary gets the nomination, it may mean she will be President. I absolutely know that between Hillary and Trump, Hillary is the worst choice but Trump is marginally better for different reasons.

All of America is losing right now and in a big way.
 
Eventhorizon said:
This is a strange boat to be in. If Sanders gets the nomination, it means Trump will be President. If Hillary gets the nomination, it may mean she will be President. I absolutely know that between Hillary and Trump, Hillary is the worst choice but Trump is marginally better for different reasons.

All of America is losing right now and in a big way.
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How do you figure that?
Did you see the stats I posted up above…Trump would lose by a substantial margin.
Please explain.
 
Skarekrow said:
How do you figure that?
Did you see the stats I posted up above…Trump would lose by a substantial margin.
Please explain.
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Right now the people coming out to vote in the primaries are Sanders and Clinton supporters. Though its a large turn out for Sanders, these people represent a substantially small margin of voters. As a whole there is no way Americans will ever vote an admitted socialist into office. Beyond that Sanders age is a major factor.

Sanders has great support from younger people. But those same younger people have not been all that inclined to actually go out and vote. Trump has the support of senior citizens and these people are unbelievably mad and are absolutely prone to vote. The advent of Obama care has raised their health costs, something I am sure you will agree does not make them happy.

So all of this is what I have put together on my own from the stories I have read. I dont have any numbers to back it up. Just do a search on something like, "There no way Sanders will ever be President."
 
Eventhorizon said:
Right now the people coming out to vote in the primaries are Sanders and Clinton supporters. Though its a large turn out for Sanders, these people represent a substantially small margin of voters. As a whole there is no way Americans will ever vote an admitted socialist into office. Beyond that Sanders age is a major factor.

Sanders has great support from younger people. But those same younger people have not been all that inclined to actually go out and vote. Trump has the support of senior citizens and these people are unbelievably mad and are absolutely prone to vote. The advent of Obama care has raised their health costs, something I am sure you will agree does not make them happy.

So all of this is what I have put together on my own from the stories I have read. I dont have any numbers to back it up. Just do a search on something like, "There no way Sanders will ever be President."
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Democratic socialist--- why don't you try googling that?

Kasich is the only Republican with a shot against Clinton or Sanders. If Trump is the nominee, polls show a landslide loss against him for whoever is Democratic nominee.
 
See above ^^^^
 
acd said:
Democratic socialist--- why don't you try googling that?

Kasich is the only Republican with a shot against Clinton or Sanders. If Trump is the nominee, polls show a landslide loss against him for whoever is Democratic nominee.
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Thats what you want to be true. Maybe it will be but I think in the end you will see it play out exactly as I have predicted.
 
Trump/Sanders 2016
 
Tzimzai said:
I actually went and caucused for the first time in my life today. It was kind of interesting... I don't think I really like the format for selecting the candidates but interesting nonetheless. It was 1 little old lady for Clinton and 7 of us for Sanders at our precinct table. Out of the 4 delegates we had, her one vote grabbed a delegate for Clinton. The little old lady would have been happy with Sanders but thought that Clinton had more foreign policy experience. The discussions we had were civil and everyone was able to discuss their likes and dislikes without anyone throwing childish temper tantrums or talking about nuking Muslims. In fact one lady was a Muslim.

Everyone seemed to be on the same page that if Sanders didn't make it we would hold our noses and vote Clinton. The consensus was that a Republican win would be more than terrible with the current state of their party and their rhetoric.
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This was similar to my experience caucusing, only that the place was crowded and while Bernie won our state, Clinton won our precinct.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Thats what you want to be true. Maybe it will be but I think in the end you will see it play out exactly as I have predicted.
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No…that’s what the majority of polls/predictive models say will happen.
Why should I believe a guy named Eventhorizon whom no one really knows anything about and even the small bits people think they know could be untrue above the easily found statistics and figures?

I suppose it’s all fabricated since it doesn’t jive with your reality?
 
Skarekrow said:
No…that’s what the majority of polls/predictive models say will happen.
Why should I believe a guy named Eventhorizon whom no one really knows anything about and even the small bits people think they know could be untrue above the easily found statistics and figures?

I suppose it’s all fabricated since it doesn’t jive with your reality?
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What you fail to continue to understand is that I have repeatedly said dont believe me. I have said go out and learn, get the facts. Not the facts spewed by the people that want what they say to be real absent reality itself.

In this instance I dont care if I am right or wrong. Trump is a bad choice for the nation but not for all of the reasons you state. Sanders is a bad choice, Hillary is like the worst choice of all. So all I think of during this election is that we are all screwed no matter what but please dont let it be at the level Hillary will screw the nation. So if Sanders wins I will be just a bit happier than if Hillary wins.
 
Eventhorizon said:
What you fail to continue to understand is that I have repeatedly said dont believe me. I have said go out and learn, get the facts. Not the facts spewed by the people that want what they say to be real absent reality itself.

In this instance I dont care if I am right or wrong. Trump is a bad choice for the nation but not for all of the reasons you state. Sanders is a bad choice, Hillary is like the worst choice of all. So all I think of during this election is that we are all screwed no matter what but please dont let it be at the level Hillary will screw the nation. So if Sanders wins I will be just a bit happier than if Hillary wins.
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I have gone out and learned the facts which is why I don’t understand where you come up with your opposition without being able to prove your stance.
Nevermind.
 
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