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Thought this was funny and true.

Pop music too loud, sounds the same http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/07/27/3554804.htm
Chris Wickham
Comforting news for anyone over the age of 35, scientists have worked out that modern pop music really is louder and does all sound the same.

Researchers in Spain used a huge archive known as the Million Song Dataset, which breaks down audio and lyrical content into data that can be crunched, to study pop songs from 1955 to 2010.

A team led by artificial intelligence specialist Joan Serra at the Spanish National Research Council ran music from the last 50 years through complex algorithms and found that pop songs have become intrinsically louder and more bland in terms of the chords, melodies and types of sound used.

"We found evidence of a progressive homogenisation of the musical discourse," says Serra. "In particular, we obtained numerical indicators that the diversity of transitions between note combinations - roughly speaking chords plus melodies - has consistently diminished in the last 50 years."

They also found the so-called timbre palette has become poorer. The same note played at the same volume on, say, a piano and a guitar is said to have a different timbre, so the researchers found modern pop has a more limited variety of sounds.

Intrinsic loudness is the volume baked into a song when it is recorded, which can make it sound louder than others even at the same volume setting on an amplifier.

The music industry has long been accused of ramping up the volume at which songs are recorded in a 'loudness war' but Serra says this is the first time it has been properly measured using a large database.

The study, which appears in the journal Nature Scientific Reports, offers a handy recipe for musicians in a creative drought.

It suggests old tunes re-recorded with increased loudness, simpler chord progressions and different instruments could sound new and fashionable.

"This yields a clear recipe for contemporising old songs: using more common chord changes, changing the song's instrumentation, and record it louder," says Serra.

The Rolling Stones in their 50th anniversary year should take note.
 
There is actually a system developed that analyzes past hit songs and can determine wether a song has "hit potential". They say it's very accurate. Terrible.
And the over compression of songs is a sin too. ;D Everything's flat and loud. My ENFP husband has a very particular ear for tone and mentioning compression on radio hits will automatically set him off on a long rampage with copious curse words.
 
Just to add, since I do some music production.

With the years the technology for recording music has developed a lot. Rock & Roll music itself would also sound loud, when it is mixed and masterized properly.
 
can we haz examples with actual songs, researchers? throwing a bunch of data sets at a non Te user i don't thinkwerks lolololololol
 
Several years late, and several million dollars short.
 
[video=youtube;oOlDewpCfZQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ[/video]

Hope you make it through.
 
How did you even find this thread anyway

[video=youtube;zDKsIu5Mgbs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKsIu5Mgbs[/video]
 
I hate today's pop music because of this, it's too loud and it sounds the same!
Don't even turn on the radio. It's a waste of energy even reaching for the dial!
 
I hate today's pop music because of this, it's too loud and it sounds the same!
Don't even turn on the radio. It's a waste of energy even reaching for the dial!

Radios are what caused this problem in the first place. The fact that people expected to push a button and get something they like and are too lazy to search means that the music industry homogenizes to the highest common denominator.

If people don't make effort, you get crap. Radio is basically the fast food of music.
 
How did you even find this thread anyway

I typed 'recipes' in the search box, and this thread surfaced on one of the nine pages. It's one of my favourite things to do on this site now. Search for a word I'm interested in on this site, and view all the unrelated threads that pop up.

Also, I'm mesmerized by that video.
 
I don't understand the appeal of it and I'm convinced the vast majority of the people who listen to it do so only because it's catchy. It almost all seems devoid of authenticity and humanness. Oh, and, of course, it's usually sexualized to the fiery depths of hell. It appeals to the eye and the ear, but not the heart or the head.
 
I don't understand the appeal of it and I'm convinced the vast majority of the people who listen to it do so only because it's catchy. It almost all seems devoid of authenticity and humanness. Oh, and, of course, it's usually sexualized to the fiery depths of hell. It appeals to the eye and the ear, but not the heart or the head.
It sounds like you are the kind of person who would assume I'm a demon IRL before you got to know me LOL. "Omg who is this popular and overly sexualized bimbo wench with fluid morals?!"
 
i love commercial music so much. i buy older pop music cds from 5 or 10 years ago and hunt through them to find an undiscovered gem to get hooked on for even just 2 days. i get obsessed with interpreting the lyrics. i love listening to the details of the production. when i dont have a favourite song of the moment it feels like something is missing from my life. most days the only way i can get out of bed is to play pop on my phone or start singing it. i found out that if i sing it while im getting ready, i can get ready up to 1/2 an hour faster, and i never miss my train anymore. i listen to it on the train and it makes the whole world go away. i imagine it in my head when i am at work and i forget about my boring tasks, my bullying coworkers and greedy managers, and the customers and their disgusting behaviours. when i get out of my classes i put it in my ears straight away and forget about how i just spent 3 hours shut in a room with other students who i do not want to know. its one of the few things that makes my life bearable.

its true that much older pop music is more sophisticated and intelligent, and the performances are technically very superior.
 
I've been a musician since I was 16 and hate everything pop music has done to music. I hear a song played over and over again on the radio and think, "How the hell can this idiot/dipshit/no-talent ass-hat 'make it' with this crap?"

Everything from the 2000's up might as well be Disco; same generic 4/4 - 2/4 time signatures, no variation in songs, insultingly simplistic lyrics written by a 12 year old and songs written for the sole purpose of being popular.

I'm getting sick thinking about this shit still... here's something that actually sounds good:

[video=youtube;uJM7TdshUbw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJM7TdshUbw[/video]
 
I've been a musician since I was 16 and hate everything pop music has done to music. I hear a song played over and over again on the radio and think, "How the hell can this idiot/dipshit/no-talent ass-hat 'make it' with this crap?"

Everything from the 2000's up might as well be Disco; same generic 4/4 - 2/4 time signatures, no variation in songs, insultingly simplistic lyrics written by a 12 year old and songs written for the sole purpose of being popular.

I'm getting sick thinking about this shit still... here's something that actually sounds good:

What a bullshit statement. There's plenty of good music that's been out for less than 15 years, you're just lazy.
 
What a bullshit statement. There's plenty of good music that's been out for less than 15 years, you're just lazy.

Made by artists who got their start well before the turn of the century.

How's this for lazy. Pick up and learn to play an instrument, then learn a song with this time signature progression:

3/8 -> 5/4 -> 4/4 -> 4/2 -> 3/4 -> 5/8 -> 3/4 -> 7/8 -> 4/4

And no, I'm not making this up...

[video=youtube;i9dHL7GA1nk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9dHL7GA1nk[/video]
 
Made by artists who got their start well before the turn of the century.

How's this for lazy. Pick up and learn to play an instrument, then learn a song with this time signature progression:

3/8 -> 5/4 -> 4/4 -> 4/2 -> 3/4 -> 5/8 -> 3/4 -> 7/8 -> 4/4

And no, I'm not making this up...

[video=youtube;i9dHL7GA1nk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9dHL7GA1nk[/video]

what does being a musician have to do with it? i took classical and jazz piano lessons for 10 years.
 
what does being a musician have to do with it? i took classical and jazz piano lessons for 10 years.

"Taking" music isn't "being" a musician. I took piano and trumpet for 12 years prior to picking up a guitar. It wasn't until I decided that it was what I wanted to do with my life that I actually became a musician - live, eat, sleep, breathe it.

Once your ear is trained to actually hear the little nuances in music (time signature changes, symphonic backups, the sound of an acoustic guitar string actually buzzing, the 5th string certain really good bassists use on their instruments, guitarists and bassists using harmonics mid-song, guitarists physically bending their guitar neck to get that extra bit of sound out, poetic lyrics, etc.), you can't simply go back to appreciating anything about simple thumping rhythms, timbre-deaf instruments and mindless lyrics.