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Oh Great Masters Part 2: Help me understand the Cognitive Processes

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    dylan Bearded Dancing King

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    This is gonna be a long OP, so watch out.

    Alright, so I've been here for several months now, and I've picked up a little bit about the cognitive processes, but now I'm really starting to get curious about what each one is, and how it works. I suppose in part because I got what I thought to be a surprising result from the online "Cognitive Processes" test, which I also attribute to the fact that I didn't really understand what they were getting at with some of the questions.

    I recently searched out and read through a lot of Von Hase's threads, but I still want more explanation. I could go and buy a book or something, but I figure it'll be a lot more fun to try and learn about it here, with all of you who know a thing or two about it giving your personal takes/opinions. More angles are going to give me a more well rounded picture, and besides, I can't turn around and ask questions to a book. Plus other members who want to learn more can chime in with their own questions for more clarfication.

    After reading TaylorS' post about "an example of Ni," I really started to get an understanding of what Ni is. The fact that it was a concrete example of Ni in action (Was it? If it wasn't, please explain.) helped a lot, and I think other concrete examples will help me understand what the other processes are as well. (What process is that, that wants and uses concrete examples to illustrate and thus gain an understanding?)

    Based on TaylorS' post, I thought of a couple examples of Ni in action in myself:

    1 - Several years ago I lived in Brooklyn, and I went to visit a friend in San Francisco for a little over a week around New Years. I called my landlord, who lived on the first floor of my building, for what I don't remember exactly, maybe to make sure he'd received my rent check? Anyway, I called him, and he didn't answer, which I thought was odd because he was almost always home. I then called a day or two later, again no answer, which at this point seemed really strange to me, and I had the thought: "I wonder if he's dead?" I instantly wondered why I had had such a morbid thought, because I usually don't have morbid thoughts like that. I dismissed it, but sure enough when I got home to Brooklyn, there was a police sticker sealing his door, and it turns out he indeed had died in his apartment. (Natural causes.)

    2 - A few years ago I was on tour with my band, and we were in LA, wrapping up the US leg of our tour. We were going to play the show in LA, and then the next day we were scheduled to fly to Japan. After we got to th club and loaded in, I called my girlfriend to check in and say hello. Her phone went straight to voicemail without ringing, which I thought meant that she must have been on the subway at the time, so the network would have thought that her phone was turned off. A couple hours later, after our sound check, I tried calling again, and again the call went straight to voice mail. She was (is) a doula, and was usually "on call" most of the time, so I found it strange that her phone would be shut off for that long. In fact, I thought the only reason her phone would be shut off for that long was if it had to be shut off for that long, and in what situation does one have to have one's phone shut off for several hours? How about a six hour trans-continental flight? The idea came to me that she might be coming to surprise me in LA before I took off overseas. And sure enough, she showed up at the gig later that night. (Of course I pretended to be really surprised.)


    Are these examples of Ni? I'm especially wondering about the second example, because it felt like I reached what initially might seem like an improbable conclusion through what seemed to me to be entirely logical steps, not "intuition."

    So there's some questions about Ni. I also have some questions about Ne, which, for organizational purposes and in the interest of keeping this somehat legible, I'll ask in a different post.

    But I also want to know about all of the cogntive process. 'Splain, please.
     
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    Question about Ne

    Ok, so my question about Ne.

    In the Cognitive Processes test, it asked a question about whether or not you try to find a solution to a problem that will solve things "from many different frameworks," or something to that effect. I related to that a lot, at least from my interpretation of the question, which I interpreted to mean, do you always try to find win/win solutions? And I do. I try and do even more than find merely win/win solutions. If there's a problem between X and Y, I like to come up with many possible creative solutions, because eventually I'll stumble upon a solution that not only solves X and Y, but improves Z as well, even though Z wasn't necessarily looking for or needing any kind of solution or improvement. So in looking for a win/win solution I've actually come up with a win/win/win solution. And the more the better. If I can get W and V in there too, and get a five way win out of it, it's even more satisfying.

    Is that a correct understanding of what Ne is, and how it is applied?
     
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    #1 is definitely Ni

    #2 is a mix of Ni and some Fe and Ti

    As for describing the 8 functions:

    http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/jft.htm

     
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