Non-quantifiable Exchange?

[Cristofori]

Has anyone else pondered the concept of an economy devoid of numbers? It's ludicrously difficult to explain, I'm still not sure of my type but I'm assuming it has something to do with Ni. It would likely rely on human relationships with what they value rather than numbers. My subconscious also seems to think my mind alone is incapable of discovering the structure of such a system, I would need multiple opinions and minds.

I dunno if this is a stupid idea or not but I thought it might be worth a shot.

 

[Sandie33]

Has anyone else pondered the concept of an economy devoid of numbers? It's ludicrously difficult to explain, I'm still not sure of my type but I'm assuming it has something to do with Ni.

No. We need numbers. We need an economy devoid of money.

Numbers need to be; for example, I have 2 apples, * hands you an apple, now I have 1 apple and you have 1 apple. That's Ni with a dash of Fe

I dunno if this is a stupid idea or not but I thought it might be worth a shot

No thing is stupid, question everything...also Ni.

 

[Wyote]

It would likely rely on human relationships with what they value rather than numbers.

Can you expand on your thought here a bit more? I want to have better clarity of your personal idea before placing anything of my own onto it.

 

[Deleted member 16771]

Has anyone else pondered the concept of an economy devoid of numbers? It's ludicrously difficult to explain, I'm still not sure of my type but I'm assuming it has something to do with Ni. It would likely rely on human relationships with what they value rather than numbers. My subconscious also seems to think my mind alone is incapable of discovering the structure of such a system, I would need multiple opinions and minds.

I dunno if this is a stupid idea or not but I thought it might be worth a shot.

Yeah, it's very common and there are a lot of theoretical models out there to describe what you're getting at. Here are some to look at:

Pierre Bourdieu's concept of social capital (and other types of capital)

The imperial Chinese notion of guanxi and other culture-specific practices in barter- and gift-economies.

Modern economists work on techniques to try to quantify the value of things that otherwise seem not to be quantifiable (e.g. public goods, even love and friendship theoretically), by using techniques like 'discrete choice experiments' (DCE). I have a friend working in this very field, and it's pretty interesting.

 

[Cristofori]

No. We need numbers. We need an economy devoid of money.

Numbers need to be; for example, I have 2 apples, * hands you an apple, now I have 1 apple and you have 1 apple. That's Ni with a dash of Fe

No thing is stupid, question everything...also Ni.

Ahh, I forgot I have lost most of my communication skills.

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No. We need numbers. We need an economy devoid of money.

Numbers need to be; for example, I have 2 apples, * hands you an apple, now I have 1 apple and you have 1 apple. That's Ni with a dash of Fe

No thing is stupid, question everything...also Ni.

Ahh, I forgot I lost most of my communication skills in my depressed state. Let me try again:
Remove the primary physical manifestation of value in our society, money, but apply a much more sophisticated system than bartering. Something complex enough to support a country. My reasoning is similar to UBI, $15 minimum, or free healthcare but supposedly removing some of the corruption of our current system.
It would kinda suck because the adaptation period would take a few decades, maybe even half a century, and it would be likely difficult for the average individual to grasp. My hope is that such a system could reduce crime and corruption making capitalizing (lol) on the system maliciously far more work than is worth. The problem is I can't seem to simulate anything functional in my mind. Maybe a spin on the current credit record where your achievements are recorded. It probably would work best in a socialist sort of way such that people's needs are somehow met, but capitalistic such that they have the right to choose where they get them from. I'm also hoping such a system would allow the people who actually care about politics, healthcare, art, business, and every other vocation to get ahead rather than those who just want to take advantage of them.