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David Ike's recent talk at Wembley stadium is now available to view online. The cost is about $16:

http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/

Its nice to hear some sanity now and then in this insane world!
 
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David Ike's recent talk at Wembley stadium is now available to view online. The cost is about $16:

http://www.davidicke.com/wembley/

Its nice to hear some sanity now and then in this insane world!

You're a fan of Icke's work? I hear some people say some of the stuff he says is correct, but I hear other people mention that he talks about shape shifting reptiles and a bunch of other stuff that might sound kind of wacky
 
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You're a fan of Icke's work? I hear some people say some of the stuff he says is correct, but I hear other people mention that he talks about shape shifting reptiles and a bunch of other stuff that might sound kind of wacky

I listen to everyone even people i don't agree with. In that sense everyone and everything is my teacher

I think that Ike has put himself forward as a spokesman and as a result many people feed him information. He sits at the centre of a web of information which others are sometimes afraid to say

The reptillian stuff is dependent on how you want to interprete it. Ike talks about the elite encouraging everyone into thinking with the left side of their brain which is to do with categorising things and seeing things as seperate; they want to discourage us from thinking through the right side of our brain which is to do with intuition, connectivity, vision, creativity etc

They are creating what he would call a 'left brain prison'

From what i've heard in the occult world the dichotomy represented here has been known about for millenia. It is often seen as reptile and the bird brain. Is it any coincidence that it is now considered an insult to call someone a 'bird brain'?

But really the bird brain is where our latent powers are that can help us to our fullest potential

The dichotomy is sometimes represented as Horus v's Set

The human brain is also composed of the reptilian brain overlayed by the mammalian brain. The reptile brain is very territorial whilst the mammalian brain is more nurturing. Reptiles just plop out an egg from which their young hatch but mammals have to nurture their young

These are just ways of using language in a colourful way to help us get a grip on concepts more easily but what we are effectively talking about here are layers of the human psyche

So when there are clearly people who are behaving ina very territorial and selfish way then is it really that wacky to call them 'reptiles'

Is it any coincidence that people are often depicted as reptiles in films for example Gordon Gheko in 'wallstreet' or the lizards in the lounge in fear and loathing in las vegas?

Have you ever heard a slippery customer called a 'snake' before?

So that's the reptillian thing on one level...but i think there are other levels as well

I was once staying at the house of an inlfuential person in my town. He's very much part of the establishment and he sometimes appears on TV on the news talking about money matters. As I was going to my bed he turned towards me in the hall before going into his bedroom where his wife was waiting and said to me 'money is an aphrodisiac' with a dirty grin on his face

I thought 'what a dickhead' and walked off, but he did provide some insight into the mindset of the elite

They are literally getting off on the fact that they are more wealthy/powerful than other people. In that sense they are drawing energy from the psyche that is energising them. Or to put it another way: they are feeding off the poverty of others by trying to increase their personal fortunes at the cost of the rest of society

So when Ike says the illuminati are 'reptiles feeding energetically off humanity' he is on a certain level DEFINATELY CORRECT

On the level of them actually being reptiles i think that to appreciate things on that kind of level it might be necessary to take some ayahuasca as ike has done and perhaps things might be seen in a different way

For example there is a good Graham Hancock clip on youtube where he is talking about his own ayahuasca experiences and he talks about how he entered a room and then noticed a being next to him who was a crocodile. He lost his nerve and didn't stay around to find out what this being had to say to him but essentially it will have been the Egyptian 'god' Sobek which is basically an archetype that exists within our collective consciousness

If you took the same stuff you might well meet Sobek as well.

The lizard or dragon is often seen as our animal nature that we must slay hence the story of george and the dragon or zeus battling typhon. The christian dragon described in revelations is actually indulging in sex magick with the whore of babylon

Everywhere you go around the world people talk about snakes and dragons. The Mayans have pyramid temples with steps leading down from the top. The steps are constructed so that at certain times the light shone on the steps creating a snake from the shadows

The chinese talk about the dragon in a slightly different way and perhaps it represents the unconscious mind to them. Vlad the Impaler was part of the Order of the Dragon, the gnostics saw snakes as a symbol of wisdom the christians as a symbol of the devil and so on and so on so the word 'reptile' carries a lot of psychic baggage with it!

Many of the things Ike has been talking about for example the holographic universe are now being spoken about seriously by scientists

Ike talks about the universe being plasma that is animated by electricity. The freemasons talk about matter being animated by consciousness and as far as i'm concerned both parties are talking about the same thing

What ike seems to be doing is explaining a lot of occult concepts that have been passed down through the elites for millenia, some would say all the way back to the Atlantian mystery schools but in plain language not disguised by symbols

I find it fascinating equating what he says to what i have heard/read in the occult side of things

As he says we are all energy. Everything is energy or information and we are information decoders. Our DNA are recievers and transmitters of energy as is the sun (which is what the Egyptians were saying)

When you begin to look at things on that kind of energetic level then many things that seem inexplicable in our world suddenly make sense and it becomes clear how the elites are trying to control us on many different levels

For example it all relates back to what i was syaing about the human mind. The elites want us locked into a narrow potentiality of reality that is purely of the senses. We pick up information through our senses and then it is passed as electrical current to the brain where we decode it. How we decode that information depends on our cultural programming. For example when you speak you are not emitting a word your vocal cords are sending a vibration out which my eardrum receives and decodes into my brain into a word; how my brain decodes that word will depend on my cultural conditioning

So yeah i like his stuff. Keep an open mind on some of the more wacky stuff because nothing is as it seems :)
 
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What you described makes sense to me, muir, but I'm kind of doubting about the whole 'The Elite do this and that to us'. I don't really know how to explain how I feel about it, but I just sincerely doubt if The Elite is so formally organized as to achieve their goal of suppression, if that is what they want to do. I think it's difficult to talk about Them and Us, because where do you draw the line? Aren't we somehow all turning into Them because we're all wired to their way of thinking?
I find it very difficult to picture this in my mind, but maybe that means that I'm a lost cause haha!
 
What you described makes sense to me, muir, but I'm kind of doubting about the whole 'The Elite do this and that to us'. I don't really know how to explain how I feel about it, but I just sincerely doubt if The Elite is so formally organized as to achieve their goal of suppression, if that is what they want to do. I think it's difficult to talk about Them and Us, because where do you draw the line? Aren't we somehow all turning into Them because we're all wired to their way of thinking?
I find it very difficult to picture this in my mind, but maybe that means that I'm a lost cause haha!

I depends on what level you want to discuss the 'elite'.

The closer to them you move the more shadowy they become. So without going too far into the rabbit hole lets have a look at what is clearly visible.

One of the most visible manifestations of the elite is the council on foreign relations. This is a think tank that controls the US media and foreign policy.

The elite work through various organisations. The public face of these organisations would be things like think tanks such as the above council on foreign relations in the US and in the UK its sister organisation Chatham House. Offshoots of these are groups such as the club of rome and the trilateral commission

The members of these groups are the wealthy families behind the big corporations such as the mainstream banks (which themselves own the federal reserve bank), the oil companies, the media companies, the weapons manufacturers, the big pharmaceutical companies

have a look here to see the corporate members of the council on foreign relations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations

There is a degree of publicity to these think tanks so they are kind of a forum by which the elite who control the elite can tell the wider elite what the policy is going to be

behind these public groups are less well publicised groups such as the Bilderberg Club and the Bohemian Grove Club. If you are in those clubs you are moving closer to the centre of power

Behind those exclusive clubs are secret societies such as: the freemasons, the jesuits, the knights of malta, the illuminati etc

People born into the elite are recruited into these orders. For example they will go to an elite educational establishment such as yale or Harvard or in the Uk to Eton, Oxford or cambridge and they will get a tap on the shoulder which is their invite into a secret club such as the skull and bones or the wolfs head. these groups groom the leaders of tomorrow, assess peoples suitability and shape their perceptions...for example by telling them that they are superior to the rest of humanity and that it is their right to rule over the masses who are as dumb as cattle

From these orders they are then recruited into more visible exclusive organisations such as the CIA, the NSA, MI5, MI6, or into top spots in government, the media, the military or the civil service

because they have created a society that is strictly hierarchical all orders come from the top and are then passed down through the levels of society down to the people at the bottom

This meas that to control the entire pyramid you only have to control the very top as then everyone else below will then get their orders from you

An example of this model in action is the army or a newspaper. So if a member of the elite for example rupert murdoch wants to control a newspaper so that he can put his views and only his views across to the public he will buy or set up a newspaper and become the 'proprietor'. he is then the capstone of that pyramid

then he will recruit an editor to work for him who he knows shares his views and will be obedient to his will; they will then monitor all the activities of the paper to ensure that the message the newspaper puts out will reflect the views of the proprietor, who himself will be reflecting the views of the organisations he is in such as the council on foreign relations and/or freemasons

The editor then recruit sub editors...perhaps people they know from yale or harvard or people they know from the industry who share their views and are in the same clubs or organisations such as the council on foreign relations and/or freemasons

These sub editors will then recruit a further layer of department heads to manage different departments of the newspaper. These sub editors will check everything before it is published to make sure that only the views of the proprietor is put out into the minds of the public

The journalists will get their news from centrally controlled press agencies that work closely with the government to ensure that everyone is 'on message' and reflecting the views of the elite

For example 7 jewish men control the vast majority of the US TV news:

[SIZE=+1]Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]
Dennis Dammerman,Vice Chairman of General Electric[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited[/SIZE]

These men all answer to the council on foreign relations that was set up by families such as the rockefellers who have acted as agents for the Rothschild family

The people who own the federal reserve are:

[SIZE=+1]Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
GoldmanSachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York[/SIZE] (Rockefellers)

It is said that there is a council of 300 that control the entire shooting match

So through this hirarchical pyramidal control system a relative few people are able to control many millions of people who are really none the wiser about who is controlling things and why things are happening the way that they are
 
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Ah okey, but there are sure some people who looked into this and found proof or evidence that there is such a network? I mean, I don't think it's difficult to overthrow them when it can be that obvious. Of course you would need masses of people at the same time to actually do that, but I don't see that it should not be possible :)
 
Ah okey, but there are sure some people who looked into this and found proof or evidence that there is such a network? I mean, I don't think it's difficult to overthrow them when it can be that obvious. Of course you would need masses of people at the same time to actually do that, but I don't see that it should not be possible :)

It is possible for sure!

The problem is that part of the conspiracy has been to drive wedges between people and because that process has gone on for so long many people are currently unwilling to work together and as a result they remain enslaved

A recent example would be the tea party and occupy movements. We've had lots of strikes recently in the UK but they are rarely coordinated! They are not aimed at changing society but rather on small matters related to for example workers pay or conditions

People need to think bigger if we're gonna tackle the conspiracy. We need to think past the wedges such as religion, race, gender, class, nationality etc that are driving us all apart

Concerning knowing about the conspiracy the people in positions of power do all know about it. if you show willingness to help the conspiracy then you get promoted but if you oppose the conspiracy then you lose your job, and are either assassinated or character assassinated by their press and by this method they keep the top of the pyramid loyal to the conspiracy

Recent examples are Julian Assange and in recent weeks the actor Hugh Grant. For example the chat show host Jon Stewart has recently started bad mouthing the actor Hugh grant and saying he is a 'pain in the ass' but the only reason he is doing this is because Hugh Grant recently joined with some other celebrities to take Rupert Murdochs News of the World Paper to court for hacking their phones. The newspaper was even found to have hacked the phones of the parents of a murdered school girl Millie Dowler

So that's what its all about. The Kennedys, Lincoln, King, Lennon, Ghandi etc all these guys and many more all caught a bullet for opposing the conspiracy

In my next post i'll put some quotes by famous people over the centuries talking about the conspiracy (particularly the banking aspect of it)

So yes people have always known about the conspiracy but there have been recent communications break throughs that have enabled information to go to a wider audience and that is enabling an awakening
 
[FONT=&quot]"All the perplexities, confusions, and distresses in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, as much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." - John Quincy Adams

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless." - Abraham Lincoln, from a November 21, 1864 letter to Colonel William F. Elkins

"Banks create credit. It is a mistake to suppose that bank credit is created to any extent by the deposit of money into the banks. A loan made by a bank is a clear addition to the amount of money in the community." - Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th Edition

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But, if you want to continue to be the slave of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers continue to create money and control credit." - Sir Josiah Stamp, President, Bank of England (2nd richest man in England)

"But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them. Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." , George Washington in a letter to Jabez Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787

"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." - Lord John Maynard Keynes, "Economic Consequences of Peace"

"Capital must protect itself in every way. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When through the process of law the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." - U.S. Banker's Association Magazine, 1924

"Congress [not private banks] shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof." - Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

Congressman Patman: "Mr. Eccles, how did you get the money to buy those two billions of government securities?" Eccles: "We created it." Patman: "Out of what?" Eccles: "Out of the right to issue credit money." - Testimony of Marriner Eccles, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, before the House Banking and Currency Committee, 1941

"Every circulating Federal Reserve Note represents in actuality a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve system." - Money Facts, House Banking and Currency Committee

"Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation…but can't, won't support the drastic reforms to repeal of the Federal Reserve Act because it could cost him his job." - Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its powers, but the truth is that the Federal Reserve System has usurped the government. It controls everything in congress and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will." - Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But he didn't. Most of his thoughts were carefully manufactured for him in advance by the Council on Foreign Relations One World Money Group. The United Nations is but a long range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. The One-World government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." - Curtis Dall, Son-in-Law of F.D.R., 1936

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison

"I am afraid that ordinary citizens will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create and destroy money; and they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of governments and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people." - R. McKenna, Chairman, Midland Bank London

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power of money should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson

"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs. I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected." - John Danforth

"I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world… no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson

"If all the bank loans were paid up, no one would have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of currency or coin in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial banks for our money. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp upon the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible - but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it is widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." - Robert H. Hemphill, Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

"If Congress has the right to issue paper money currency, it was given to them to be used by the government and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations." - President Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836

"If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash." - George Washington

"If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [debt-free money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt to the International Bankers. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe!" - Times of London newspaper, 1865

"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." - George H.W. Bush to White House reporter Sarah McClendon, 1992

"If two parties, instead of being a bank and an individual, were an individual and an individual, they could not inflate the circulating medium by a loan transaction, for the simple reason that the lender could not lend what he didn't have, as banks can do. Only commercial banks and trust companies can lend money that they manufacture by lending it." - Professor Irving Fisher, Yale University, in his book "100% Money"

"If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed." - Mark Twain

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie." - Joseph Goebbels

"If you want to make someone angry tell him a lie; if you want to make him furious, tell him the truth. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed , second it is violently opposed, and third it is accepted as self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights." - Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom

"It does not take a majority to prevail… but rather an irate tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Founding Patriot Samuel Adams

"The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts." - Henry Ford

"It may appear that what goes on is happenstance, but the government most surely has planned it." - Franklin Roosevelt

"Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."
- Pericles, 430 B.C.)

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States." , Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England… nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament , or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All we have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Herman Goering, Nuremberg Trials

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." - Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge - even to ourselves - that we've been so credulous." - Carl Sagan

"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan

"Our goal is gradually to absorb the wealth of the world." - Cecil Rhodes, "The secret banking cabal"

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild international Banking Dynasty, 1790

"Power concedes nothing without demand." - Frederick Douglass

"See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them; and gives it to persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil in itself, but also is a fertile source for further evils, for it invites reprisals. If such a law is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply and develop into a system." - Frederic Bastiat

"Should government refrain from regulation and taxation, the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the fraud can no longer be concealed." - Lord John Maynard Keynes, "The Economic Consequences of Peace"

"Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers." - Congressional Record 12595-12603 June 10, 1932

"The bold effort the Second National Bank of the U.S. had made to control government and the distress it has wantonly produced are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." - Andrew Jackson

"The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, so what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. They pull the strings and we dance." - John Swinton, New York Times Chief of Staff

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. I am an enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but coin. If the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson.

"The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jefferson

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government, all under their control. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." - Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976

"The entire banking movement, at all crucial stages, was centralized in the hands of a few men who for years were linked, ideologically and personally, with one another." - Gabriel Kolko

"The eyes of our citizens are not sufficiently open to the true cause of our distress. They ascribe them to everything but their true cause, the banking system; a system which if it could do good in any form is yet so certain of leading to abuse as to be utterly incompatible with the public safety and prosperity. The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Federal Reserve Act as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the currency. I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it possible to submerge the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable paper currency." - Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913

"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities." - Lewis vs. United States 9th Circuit 1992

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers." - Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny…" , Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from either class." - Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers a finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. That system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. This (Federal Reserve) Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the president signs this bill, the invisible governments by the monetary power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed, the worst legislatives crime of the ages perpetrated by this banking bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Representative, MN

"The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity." - Abraham Lincoln

"The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one. What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

"The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight. We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence…" - John F. Kennedy at Columbia University, 1963

"The Illuminati bankers rule the world through debt, which is money they create out of nothing. They need world government to ensure no country defaults or tries to overthrow them. As long as private bankers, instead of governments, create money the human race is doomed. These bankers and their allies have bought everything and everyone." - Henry Makow

"The increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143 million dollars in 1913 to 45 billion dollars in 1949 went directly to the private stockholders of the [federal reserve] banks." - Eustace Mullins

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People vs. The Banks." - Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875

"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented." - Major L.B.Angus

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government, which, like a giant octopus, sprawls its slimy length over city, state, and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen. At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." - John F. Hylan, New York City Mayor, 1922.

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. …but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." , Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982

"The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it." - John Kenneth Galbraith, in his book "Money: Whence It Came, Where It Went", 1975

"The surest way to overthrow an existing social order is to debauch the currency." - Lenin

"The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical." - Barry Goldwater , U.S. Senator

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H. L. Menken

"This Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized. The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

"This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." - Sir Denison Miller

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." - Benjamin Disraeli, First Prime Minister of Britain

"There is no more direct way to capture control of a nation than through its credit and money system." - Phillip A. Benson, President of American Bankers' Association, 1939

"They must find it difficult… those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority."

"They who have put out the people's eyes reproach them of their blindness." - John Milton

"The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks. Bankers discovered that they could make loans merely by giving their promise to pay, or bank notes, to borrowers. In this way banks began to create money. Transaction deposits are the modern counterpart of bank notes. It was a small step from printing notes to making book entries crediting deposits of borrowers, which the borrowers in turn could 'spend' by writing checks, thereby 'printing' their own money." - Modern Money Mechanics, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

"The Federal Reserve is answerable to no one." - Ronald Reagan

"The Great Depression was not accidental, it was a carefully contrived occurrence. The international Bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as rulers of us all." - Louis McFadden

"The only thing that is necessary for evil to triumph is for men of good will to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken

"The youth who can solve the money question will do more for the world than all the professional soldiers of history." - Henry Ford Sr.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau

"There are two methods, or means and only two, whereby man's needs and desires can be satisfied. One is the production and exchange of wealth; this is the economic means. The other is the uncompensated appropriation of wealth produced by others; this is the banking and political means." - Albert Jay Nock

"To expose a 15 Trillion dollar ripoff of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000 largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business." , Buckminster Fuller

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

"Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that don't have brains enough to be honest." - Benjamin Franklin

"Very soon every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap us huge profit beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call 'Social Insurance'. Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation (USA) to foment this plot against America." - Colonel Edward Mandel House

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller, Trilateral Commission Founder, 1991

"We are now permitted to own gold again only because the intention is to force the Canadian/American people onto a strict gold standard while we do not have enough gold to permit this system to operate even marginally. Forcing us onto a gold standard, under the guise of our 'proven' inability to manage debt, will complete the destruction of the middle class and finish our subjection to the International Bankers and the UN." - Howard Freeman.

"We are on the verge of a Global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller to the United Nations Business Council on September 23, 1994

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." - Winston Churchill

"We fix the price of gold and silver to make them valuable or not." - J. P. Morgan, in a letter to his son

"We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. They are not government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government, and it has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it." - Senator Louis T. McFadden, Chairman US Banking & Currency Commission

"The principle we must keep in mind is that two people cannot both be the exclusive owner of the same thing at the same time. Yet fractional reserve banking operates on the theory that bank account holder A and borrower B can both own the same money at the same time. This practice is just as fraudulent as selling two buyers the same vacation home and giving them both exclusive title to the home and hoping that they don't both show up to use it the same weekend. With fractional reserve banking, titles to money (gold) are spuriously created, meaning there are more titles to property than there is actual property. In fact, no new money is created, but the number of titles to existing money is expanded. And it is in this manner that the value of the dollar is diminished. In the absence of a gold standard, the crime is exceeded today to the point of absurdity, as only titles themselves are traded with no tie to any real property whatsoever. We have been swindled." -

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it… the only question is whether or not it be by conquest or consent." - James Warburg, Rothschild Banking Agent, 1950

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first thing to be bought and sold are legislators." - P.J. O'Rourke

"When the people fear the government, there is Tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is Liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

"When you control opinion, as corporate America controls opinion in the United States by owning the media, you can make the masses believe almost anything you want, and guide them as you please." - Gore Vidal

"When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover the check, but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money." - "Putting it Simply", Boston Federal Reserve Bank

"You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out. If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning." - Andrew Jackson

"In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to congress by the Constitution." - Congressman Wright Patman

"Money is not based on gold anymore; money is only an idea. Ideas are not scarce. There should be no shortage of money to lubricate the gears of commerce any more than there should be a shortage of imagination. Today money is created on computers and paper, and since it is so easy to create, no one should have a right to charge interest on its creation. Yet, that is what the Federal Reserve System does - loans money to the people, charges interest on it, and puts the working public into debt just for being given permission to build for itself its own prosperity." -

"If you do nothing when you have a chance, is your plan to wait until there are no more chances to do something?" -

"If you're in a card game and you can't figure out who the patsy is, you're it." - Warren Buffett

"A tyrant is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader." - Plato, The Republic

"The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate." - Dr. Wayne Dyer.

"Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past." - Maurice Maeterlinck.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

"What you can't imagine, you can't discover." - Albert Einstein

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." - Robert Heinlein

"In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

"I find it hard to understand why those who demand Unitary Education by the State do not also demand a Unitary Press by the State… Either the State is infallible, in which case we could not do better than to submit to it the entire domain of intelligent thought, or it is not, in which case it is no more rational to hand over education to it than the press." - Frederic Bastiat

"A government big enough to give us everything we want is a government big enough to take from us everything we have." - President Gerald Ford

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again." - Andre Gide

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance or conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr.

"I must study war and politics so that my children shall be free to study commerce, agriculture and other practicalities, so that their children can study painting, poetry and other fine things." - John Adams, U.S. President

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1755

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will one day reach himself." - Thomas Paine [/FONT]
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Holy sh*t! Okey, I didn't read them all but the ones I did read are not necessarily talking about a secret conspiracy and networks of several family ties manipulating all political and economical systems, or am I missing something?
 
I think what conspiracies are missing is a coherent and detailed naming of who's who, where they live, and how they are negatively affecting me/us personally. Only snippets of the whole picture is ever shown to us, or the big picture is shown without being able to relate it to smaller details. That has been my biggest frustration with it all.

Also most conspiracy people are just "Awareness Bringers" which to me shows that they are not fully invested in fixing anything, they are just bitching around the water cooler. Actually DO something besides talk about it. At least formulate a plan!
 
Holy sh*t! Okey, I didn't read them all but the ones I did read are not necessarily talking about a secret conspiracy and networks of several family ties manipulating all political and economical systems, or am I missing something?

Yes

The conspiracy is one of a number of families getting together on jekyll island and drawing up a bill for a private central bank to be created. These families for the most part made their fortunes in Europe and already controlled central banks in Europe such as the Bank of England

This is why the norther americans threw off the yoke of british rule....britain was controlled by the central bankers....it was the rule of the central bankers that the americans were throwing off

So now when you go back over the quotes notice how many are by the americans who founded the US talking about keeping the power away from the bankers

So going back to the jekyll island plot....those families drew up a bill and they took it to congress. When most people had left for the recess a few people remained behind and they got the bill passed. It was called the 'Federal Reserve Bill 1913'

This bill brought the federal reserve bank into creation but it wasn't a federal bank it was or rather is owned by private banking families

The government applies to the federal reserve with government bonds and in return the fed prints money. But everytime they print money there is interest attached which indebts th american people

Before this all money was printed by the treasury which is part of the US government. This money was interest free. President Abraham Lincoln refused to take war loans from the international bankers and instead printed his own currency called the 'greenback'. the bankers weren't very happy about this so they had him assassinated.

Since the creation of the federal reserve we have seen cyclical financial crashes and wars including world wars....it does not provide stability as the central bankers claim

The central bankers can now control interest rates and can orchestrate economic crises. They can make money plentiful by creating lots of cheap credit. It becomes easy for people to borrow money so they start up businesses and take out mortgages. Then the bankers restrict the money supply and call in all loans. Suddenly people can't afford to run thei bussinesses or pay their mortgages so they default on payments and the bankers repossess their homes and buy up their businesses for cents on the dollar

With each crisis the bankers then get the government to tell the people that what is needed is to increase the power of the bankers. In the 1970's the government depegged from gold and created a fiat currency of paper money which in itself is intrinsically worthless...its essentially an illuion of value.

They also engage in 'fractional reserve banking' which means they lend out ten times the amount of wealth they actually hold...ie they create money out of thin air!

So by giving away certain powers to the bankers they have gained huge wealth and power hence Meyer Amschell Rothschilds quote:[FONT=&amp] "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes the laws." [/FONT]

If you keep reading the quotes you will see ones talking explicitly about plots, cabals and conspiracies (as shown below), these are talking about this cabal of bankers that has created the federal reserve:

For example here is one by President Jackson who fought against the bankers and managed to halt their plans for a central bank for a while; an assassination attempt on his life failed:

[FONT=&amp]"You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out. If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."

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[FONT=&amp]"In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to congress by the Constitution." - Congressman Wright Patman

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[FONT=&amp]"We shall have world government whether or not you like it… the only question is whether or not it be by conquest or consent." - James Warburg, Rothschild Banking Agent, 1950

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]"We are on the verge of a Global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller to the United Nations Business Council on September 23, 1994

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[FONT=&amp][FONT=&amp]"The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical." - Barry Goldwater , U.S. Senator[/FONT]
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[FONT=&amp]"The Illuminati bankers rule the world through debt, which is money they create out of nothing. They need world government to ensure no country defaults or tries to overthrow them. As long as private bankers, instead of governments, create money the human race is doomed. These bankers and their allies have bought everything and everyone." - Henry Makow

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller, Trilateral Commission Founder, 1991


etc etc etc

There is a good film called 'the money masters' that talks about the history of all this. it was made in 1996 and correctly predicted the current economic crisis. The quality os a bit grainy but the content is very good. I watched it with a number of tea breaks! Here's a link:

[/FONT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw

The illuminati are even mentioned on the CNBC news:

[video=youtube;ejVys-j2cXc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejVys-j2cXc[/video]
 
I think what conspiracies are missing is a coherent and detailed naming of who's who, where they live, and how they are negatively affecting me/us personally. Only snippets of the whole picture is ever shown to us, or the big picture is shown without being able to relate it to smaller details. That has been my biggest frustration with it all.

Here's video of a talk by david Ike where he spells it all out pretty clearly. it doesn't get any clearer than this....some effort has to come on the part of the person seeking the information

For example, if you hear a persons name and you want to know more about them then look them up in wikipedia and have a read, then see what else you can find online....join the dots

The talk begins to start after a minute and a half intro:

[video=youtube;68rMTRhqKok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68rMTRhqKok[/video]

Also most conspiracy people are just "Awareness Bringers" which to me shows that they are not fully invested in fixing anything, they are just bitching around the water cooler. Actually DO something besides talk about it. At least formulate a plan!

I'm a member of political organisations opposed to what they are doing

I've been involved in protests

I've been involved in trade union activities

I've voted for the independence of scotland to help break up the UK and to decentralise power and undermine the nuclear capability of the UK

I've taken my money out of their banks and put it into a credit union

I've set up a voluntary association of workers

I've made a number of lifestyle changes to circumvent what they are trying to do for example: I've boycotted a lot of their corporations, I buy my food locally from organic growers and I run my vehicle on LPG not on middle eastern oil

If everyone started doing these things we would see a drastic change in our society, but they won't until they become aware of what is going on

But i am living change

What i would say about the wider public is that i believe many of them are now pretty aware of what is going on hence all the protests. But the system has been designed to be a pyramidal heirarchy and the cabal now control the top of the pyramid. To knock them off is going to take a supreme and coordinated effort on the part of the people which once again will require enough communication and coordination and awareness to create a cohesive force for change
 
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Michael Eisner has not been CEO of Disney since 2005. His leadership was regarded very poorly and heavily criticized before being ousted. Robert Iger is the current CEO.
 
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I think what conspiracies are missing is a coherent and detailed naming of who's who, where they live, and how they are negatively affecting me/us personally. Only snippets of the whole picture is ever shown to us, or the big picture is shown without being able to relate it to smaller details. That has been my biggest frustration with it all.

Also most conspiracy people are just "Awareness Bringers" which to me shows that they are not fully invested in fixing anything, they are just bitching around the water cooler. Actually DO something besides talk about it. At least formulate a plan!

That's because conspiracy theorists are ignorant about the position on which they stand and lack the tools necessary to understand how ignorant they are. The kinds of people who become conspiracy theorists are either so involved in searching for connections that they end up outright fabricating connections or so fixated on a detail or two that they become adamant that it is the definitive justification of their position. They can either create a big picture that they can't support with details (usually because they don't exist) or they can present a few of the salient parts but be unable to find a common thread (usually because it doesn't exist). They don't do anything other than say they are "spreading the word" because they're aware that they don't have as many facts as they need to back up their claims. See: muir telling people "Look at the facts for yourself" or bombarding them with a mountain of tangentially-related quotes whenever he can't figure out how to form an argument.

e: Hey, muir, were the moon landings real?
 
Michael Eisner has not been CEO of Disney since 2005. His leadership was regarded very poorly and heavily criticized before being ousted. Robert Iger is the current CEO.

Yes the point that was being made by Ike was that people in key positions are Rothschild zionists

So yes Meichael Eisner who is jewish was the CEO, now Iger who is jewish is the CEO

The point being made by Ike is that despite the fact that only 2% of the US population are jewish, they are massively over represented in the corridors of power

He makes the important distinction that NOT all jews are Rothschild zionists and not all Rothschild zionists are jews

Personally i don't even think the guys at the top of the pyramid are jews, as in i don't believe they follow the words of the torah and observe jewish religious observances, i think they are magicians; by that i mean Egyptian magick (including kabbalah). That is why they operate through organisations that are kabbalstic such as the freemasons

I live in Scotland. Lodge 0 is here. The Templars that fled France on friday 13th 1312 fled here to Scotland where they set up freemasonry as an underground movement. They did this because our king Robert the Bruce was excommunicated from the catholic church for stabbing a rival for the throne to death in Greyfriars church near Dumfries and holy ground is meant to be sacred...a sanctuary

The templars brought wealth and arms to bruces campaign for the crown. He was fighting a guerilla war or as they called it in those days a 'secret war'. This involved a lot of setbacks including members of his family being caught and imprisoned or killed; this is where the legend of the spider in the cave comes from (although the legend is much older than Bruce!)

Every Scottish school kid knows the legend of the spider in the cave. Bruce was sitting in the cave feeling broken and dejected after many defeats but he watched a spider trying to spin a web. The spider kept falling however and not managing to connect the strands. Eventually after many attempts the spider succeeded and the Bruce became inspired. The message of the story is: 'if at first you don't succeed, try, try again'

When the scottish king james 6th went down and became the king of england as well in 1603 he took with him the scottish court who took with them the Scottish brand of freemasonry. The freemasonry that is most powerful in the US is the Scottish rite of freemasonry. This contains many esoteric degrees. These stuart kings were later ejected from Britain. They fled to France and they inflitrated the Lodges of paris. They created the Rite of Strict Observance and this rite spread around Europe. This rite is an occult rite and takes its authority from 'unknown masters': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite_of_Strict_Observance

Christians would term these unknown masters as 'angels and demons'. The will of these angels then manifests through earthly groups such as the council of 300, the elders of zion.

King Solomon had been a great magician king. He is said to have evoked 72 demons and brought them under his control. King Solomon is reverred by Freemasons

Invocation and evocation being tools used by magicians. The famous magician John Dee who was also a spymaster for the English Queen Elizabeth had as his spy codename the number 007. He teamed up with a skryer called Kelley who looked into a mayan obsidian mirror that Dee claimed was given to him by an angel. This mirror can still be seen in a museum in England. They spoke to what they called 'Enochian angels' who got them involved in all sorts of trouble.

What the freemasons are dealing with at the core of their order makes institutionalised christianity look like childsplay. the truth is that christianity is really just the outer exoteric shell of esoteric freemasonry

I used to work for one of the illuminati families, so when people tell me i'm a conspiracy theorist or ignorant, i know that they don't really know what is going on
 
That's because conspiracy theorists are ignorant about the position on which they stand and lack the tools necessary to understand how ignorant they are. The kinds of people who become conspiracy theorists are either so involved in searching for connections that they end up outright fabricating connections or so fixated on a detail or two that they become adamant that it is the definitive justification of their position. They can either create a big picture that they can't support with details (usually because they don't exist) or they can present a few of the salient parts but be unable to find a common thread (usually because it doesn't exist). They don't do anything other than say they are "spreading the word" because they're aware that they don't have as many facts as they need to back up their claims. See: muir telling people "Look at the facts for yourself" or bombarding them with a mountain of tangentially-related quotes whenever he can't figure out how to form an argument.

e: Hey, muir, were the moon landings real?

The reason i say to people that they should look up the facts is because i know that when they do they will then see that what i'm saying is true

The conspiracy is a giant puzzle that has to be constructed. But before that can be done a person has to cleanse their old false perceptions. These false perceptions are created by the cabal at the centre of the conspiracy for example through their corporate media.

Cracks often begin to appear in this perception for people however for example when they learn thth the news is often lying to them. When they begin to doubt the perception of reality that has been created for them they then begin to look for answers

There are some people who have found some answers and they are putting what they have found out there for others to then find....its like sharing pieces of the puzzle

The conspiracy is pretty simple though once you grasp it. There is a cabal of families who are linked by marriage who have exercised their power through banking for centuries. These families have created a central banking system in Europe that has enabled them to control and even topple kings and queens and take over governments.

The US constitution was formed by people who had just thrown off the yoke of Britain which itself was and is under the yoke of the banking families

The US constitution was formed to protect the american (north) people from the bankers hence all the parts about a free press and right to bear arms and for the government to print money (NOT the central banks). All those quotes i've posted are talking about this battle between the people and the bankers

The bankers however eventually managed to get a central bank formed which they misleadingly called the 'federal reserve'. This has enabled them to take control of the US
 
[video=youtube;gDrzKBF6gDU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDrzKBF6gDU[/video]
 
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Here's video of a talk by david Ike where he spells it all out pretty clearly. it doesn't get any clearer than this....some effort has to come on the part of the person seeking the information
that's a big mistake and is exactly what I am talking about. You should be making it easier to for people to learn this information, not leaving it up to their passing curiosity. Your opposition sure is not taking that approach.
I'm a member of political organisations opposed to what they are doing

I've been involved in protests

I've been involved in trade union activities

I've voted for the independence of scotland to help break up the UK and to decentralise power and undermine the nuclear capability of the UK

I've taken my money out of their banks and put it into a credit union

I've set up a voluntary association of workers

I've made a number of lifestyle changes to circumvent what they are trying to do for example: I've boycotted a lot of their corporations, I buy my food locally from organic growers and I run my vehicle on LPG not on middle eastern oil

If everyone started doing these things we would see a drastic change in our society, but they won't until they become aware of what is going on

But i am living change

What i would say about the wider public is that i believe many of them are now pretty aware of what is going on hence all the protests. But the system has been designed to be a pyramidal heirarchy and the cabal now control the top of the pyramid. To knock them off is going to take a supreme and coordinated effort on the part of the people which once again will require enough communication and coordination and awareness to create a cohesive force for change
Living the change, while commendable, isn't enough. You need to lead others to learn how they can live the change.
 
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David Icke really does have some good things to say once you strip it of all that conspiratorial horseshit.