Dream Act

[Raccoon Love]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/08/dream.act/index.html?hpt=T1

Washington (CNN) -- A hotly debated measure that offers a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children won approval Wednesday from the U.S. House.
The 216-198 vote, mostly on partisan lines, sends the so-called DREAM Act to the Senate, where it was uncertain if supporters had the votes to overcome a certain Republican filibuster against it.
The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act -- or DREAM -- would create a path to citizenship for immigrants who entered the United States illegally as children under the age of 16 and have lived in America for at least five years, obtained a high school or General Education Development diploma and demonstrated "good moral character," according to a White House fact sheet.
Even then, only a six-year conditional status would be awarded, and before moving to the next phase, the students would need to meet additional requirements -- attending college or serving in the military for at least two years, and passing criminal background checks.
Fulfilling the DREAM Act Students push for DREAM Act Students lobby to become citizens
Proponents, including President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders, say the bill offers legal standing to young people brought to the United States who have bettered themselves and served their new country, while opponents claim it is a form of amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Before Wednesday's House vote, Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano joined congressional Democrats at a news conference to urge Congress to pass the bill.
"These are not the individuals that are a threat to our public safety or our security," Napolitano said. "This is an area where ... our nation's immigration laws have not kept up with our nation's needs."
The White House has touted the bill as a measure that will strengthen the nation's military and its economy.
A potential beneficiary is Cesar Vargas, a soon-to-be law school graduate with a 3.8 average who wants to serve in the U.S. military.
Under current law, Vargas won't even be able to hold a job after he graduates, much less enlist. He is in the country illegally after being brought to New York from Mexico as a child.
"All I want is the opportunity to serve my country and to give back to the country that has given me so much," Vargas said. "... We're not a problem. We're the solution."
However, Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said the bill could grant amnesty to more than 2 million illegal immigrants.
"Mass amnesty is not the only problem with the DREAM Act," said Smith, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee. "The bill allows illegal immigrants to receive in-state tuition at public universities, placing them ahead of U.S. citizens. The bill also is a magnet for fraud."
The White House disputed that the bill will give amnesty, noting in a fact sheet that "it requires responsibility and accountability of young people who apply to adjust their status under the DREAM Act, creating a lengthy and rigorous process."
It also points out that DREAM Act beneficiaries would not be eligible for federal grants, such as Pell Grants, to attend college. "Undocumented youth adjusting to lawful permanent resident status are only eligible for federal student loans which must be paid back, and federal work-study programs where they must work for any benefit they receive," according to the White House.
"This is not some dream road, easy-picking concession of the Congress of the United States, of the government, to American citizenship," said Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Illinois, who delivered an impassioned plea on behalf of the measure. "No Pell Grant. I'd like to see you get through college without a Pell Grant. No government assistance ... no health care. Nothing. Nothing but your own faith and your own determination and your own work to get you through school. And nothing but your own work, your own determination to join the military."
Beneficiaries will receive in-state tuition in their state of residence, the same as any student, he said.
The Congressional Budget Office has said the measure would cut the federal deficit by $1.4 billion and increase government revenues by $2.3 billion over the next decade.
Young people who do not fulfill the act's requirements will lose their legal status and would be subject to deportation, according to the White House fact sheet. DREAM Act applicants would be responsible for paying the processing fees associated with their applications, and would be subject to "rigorous criminal background checks and reviews."
DREAM Act beneficiaries would not be able to petition for legal status for their family members until after they had satisfied all the requirements. They would also be subject to waiting periods.
"The bottom line is that it would take many years before parents or siblings who previously entered the country illegally could obtain a green card," the White House said.

What is your opinion on the Dream Act?

 

[DrShephard]

I constantly hear people up in arms about reasons why we should kick all illegal immigrants out... health care, education, taxes, etc etc. These always point to something flawed with health care, education, taxes, etc etc - and NOT with immigration. I think that immigration should be made more lax (not beaurocratized) and that solutions should be found for those secondary causes ...but not so much that we get terroristed six ways to Sunday.

Immigrants aren't jerks who want to rob our country (like social conservatives would say), but they aren't people who are absolutely devout and honest who are only trying to find a better life and are otherwise blameless (like social liberals would say). They are humans. That is to say that they have egos and will take advantage of some opportunities whether they deserve them or not, and that they will also be decent people most of the time too. Americans, too, are humans, and are applicable to the same things. So lets work out the problems. If a business is running poorly, you don't ban the customers - you fix the business.

 

[bamf]

Totally for it.

 

[arbygil]

I constantly hear people up in arms about reasons why we should kick all illegal immigrants out... health care, education, taxes, etc etc. These always point to something flawed with health care, education, taxes, etc etc - and NOT with immigration. I think that immigration should be made more lax (not beaurocratized) and that solutions should be found for those secondary causes ...but not so much that we get terroristed six ways to Sunday.

Immigrants aren't jerks who want to rob our country (like social conservatives would say), but they aren't people who are absolutely devout and honest who are only trying to find a better life and are otherwise blameless (like social liberals would say). They are humans. That is to say that they have egos and will take advantage of some opportunities whether they deserve them or not, and that they will also be decent people most of the time too. Americans, too, are humans, and are applicable to the same things. So lets work out the problems. If a business is running poorly, you don't ban the customers - you fix the business.

This, plus infinity. I've always felt this way and I'm absolutely for the Dream Act. Some of the kiddos in my neck of the woods are actually going on hunger strikes so this bill can be recognized, and they'll have opportunities to attend college.

Too many kiddos are falling through the cracks, through no fault of their own. They deserve a much better deal than they've been getting. Especially when it comes to attending college. Far better for them to be excited about this country and wanting to create jobs or fulfill their own dreams (and help us economically in the process) than for them to contribute in any other (negative) way to this country.

 

[NaeturVindur]

WOOOOOO GO DREAM ACT!!!!

 

[IndigoSensor]

Despite the fact that I have a pretty conservitve stance on immigration, I fully support it. The main reason I do is because it does exactly what I want to be done with immigration! It creates a system and potential for people to get ciitzenship and it is done in a way that requires a high level of effort and proof.

 

[Raccoon Love]

Apparently the bill did not pass the senate, though its not dead just in standby. The GOP has priority on the tax cuts and has pledge to not pass anything else until the Tax cuts are resolved. Though I was in huge favor of this to pass once and for all, it looks to me that through this an agreement will be able to be made between the 2 parties.

 

[IndigoSensor]

Of course it didn't pass the senate. The senates abillity to pass something has completely gone in the toilet ever since the bailouts began. That's to be expected. The senate's tunnel to passing bills is the side of a nano tube. You need to pretty much inciniderate everything and pass it through as a phantom gas.

 

[Raccoon Love]

Of course it didn't pass the senate. The senates abillity to pass something has completely gone in the toilet ever since the bailouts began. That's to be expected. The senate's tunnel to passing bills is the side of a nano tube. You need to pretty much inciniderate everything and pass it through as a phantom gas.

Very true. I was heavily disappointed that DADT did not pass either. What got me annoyed is this whole GOP alliance of not passing anything, and filler-busting all bills. They could at least hear arguments, but they are so obsessed on what they believe is the priority(the tax cuts) that they choose to neglect all other issues.

 

[DrShephard]

inciniderate everything and pass it through as a phantom gas.

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