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Digital Privacy in a relationship

CindyLou

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Passwords/Passcodes

Do you have a right to know them? If a SO demands to see your phone/texts/emails/ Facebook chats, should you show them to ease their insecurity? Does not showing them your texts/emails or giving them access mean you have something to hide or mean they have something to hide?
 
In a relationship, I don't hide anything and I don't demand access to anything.

Probably if my partner was hiding much from me, I would know. Perhaps I am arrogant, naive, or both.
 
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It doesn't matter to me. The only pw I won't give is my bank account, loan account, personal email, and anything financial. That would obviously change once we get married though. I don't have fb or any of that. Even if I did, I'd let him have the pws if he wanted. I'm opened and I trust him. I don't demand anything of his and I don't care to have it.
 
if your SO demands to see any of that stuff and/or is dead set against sharing then you’ve got bigger problems *my jaded opinion* lol...
 
if your SO demands to see any of that stuff and/or is dead set against sharing then you’ve got bigger problems *my jaded opinion* lol...
^ THIS x1000000

I knew a girl that had her husband's pw to everything... even her husband's porn. And he never knew that she was a video cam girl...
 
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There's trust issues needing to be addressed.

Why can't the password requestor respect that the other party's wants his/her accounts to remain private, and also, why does the other party feel the need to keep the accounts private?
 
not sure. I think it would be more of an issue if one person is going through a lot of effort to keep the information private. In an ideal world, I'd want them to tell me that they don't want to share because it's something they think their partner may not accept or understand rather than being defensive about it. But I can also understand being annoyed at a partner who wants to know everything, implying you have something to hide. If someone is honest with themselves and translates that to honesty with you, then there's nothing to fear. But if someone has a history of breaking trust, and is hoping to rebuild their partner's trust in them, they will likely have to be more transparent than they were before.
 
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If they're that bent on it, I wouldn't mind them leaving. In fact, I'd probably preempt that and go away myself.

I don't take demands because I am not a prisoner. Using a relationship to deliver ultimatums would get a big GTFO from me. It's a relationship, not a bargaining chip, and if one feels they need to do this sort of thing then they should take it as a sign to reevaluate themselves and their position. Something is clearly wrong with one or both parties if this happens, in my opinion.
 
Also, digital information is highly condensed.

Asking for one password can be like retroactively going back and sitting in on every conversation the person has had in the past six months or whatever. It's like demanding to be everywhere that person goes and listening to everything they say. It's very much like that because this data is accumulated over time so it's basically putting a spy bug on them backwards in time and finding everything they did.

If one wants that sort of thing they may as well come out and ask for it directly because it amounts to the same.
 
If they're that bent on it, I wouldn't mind them leaving. In fact, I'd probably preempt that and go away myself.

I don't take demands because I am not a prisoner. Using a relationship to deliver ultimatums would get a big GTFO from me. It's a relationship, not a bargaining chip, and if one feels they need to do this sort of thing then they should take it as a sign to reevaluate themselves and their position. Something is clearly wrong with one or both parties if this happens, in my opinion.

@sprinkles and partner enter stage right.

"hey @sprinkles , sweetheart, why won't you let me see your files? I want to see your files! Show me them... or we're breaking up!"

"what? haha have fun with that 256AES encryption."

"what? i don't understand..."

"on second thought, we're breaking up right now. bye. have a nice life."
@sprinkles exit stage left.
 
@sprinkles and partner enter stage right.

"hey @sprinkles , sweetheart, why won't you let me see your files? I want to see your files! Show me them... or we're breaking up!"

"what? haha have fun with that 256AES encryption."

"what? i don't understand..."

"on second thought, we're breaking up right now. bye. have a nice life."
@sprinkles exit stage left.

Hopefully that never happens because I suspect I'd never end up with somebody who would do that, nor give them cause to do it. I'm really boring and not scandalous. Mostly.

Otherwise though, I don't play. I've had too much of the "do this or we aren't friends anymore" trick.

"We aren't friends anymore? This is acceptable."
 
Also there's a mutual trust issue.

Asking for somebody's password is asking them to trust you, which is highly ironic if you do not trust them.
Getting a password empowers you to impersonate, blackmail, and/or ruin social lives. And this happens all the time. You wouldn't do that, you say? And you expect them to take your word?

It's not even a fair trade because they have something to lose (besides losing the person doing the asking) but they'd have to accept on faith that the password asker will not abuse their powers, and there's no guarantee of that.
 
Nobody ever has a RIGHT to see into their SO's personal belongings. Personal accounts like the ones people have listed are often essential for serious life matters, and no matter how much you think you trust your SO, they may turn out to be a bad person or decide to be malevolent if you break up with them; bottom line, things might get messy to deal with if you share your password with anyone, especially someone you're in a not-necessarily-permanent romantic relationship with.

On top of this, trying to assert the idea that you might have the right over your SO's personal information is controlling behaviour--if threats or control of finances are involved, such control is in fact considered a form of ABUSE.

Many situations are not so black and white though. There may be some special circumstances where requesting special access to your SO's passcode (assuming they're a more private type and don't seem to have a lot of friends who they indiscriminately give their PW to) isn't fucking weird, and people can use their own discretion for that; they'll know whenever their creepy-dar is set off. For example, if one partner has a history of cheating, their SO's insecurity would be very understandable. It doesn't somehow give their SO the "right" to access their information, and if their partner chooses to give it to them, it's still concession and it should be up to themselves to deliberate.

On the flip side, an SO DOES have a right to interpret and feel however they do about their partner not wanting to disclose personal exchanges/information to them.

In my opinion, there should be little reason to hide stuff from a partner, other than maybe embarrassing photos or hobbies where they feel like it's too early in the relationship to open up about yet. The issue is that giving an SO a password for emails, Facebook, and the like, enables them to view interactions between you and others prior to your relationship with them beginning, which may only serve to make an already insecure person feel needlessly even more insecure and defeat the supposed purpose of establishing more trust and eliminating insecurity. I don't have a passcode on my phone, but at the same time, I would feel uncomfortable if even my best friends looked through my personal conversation history in great detail, and I hate it whenever people just grab my phone and scroll through my photos without telling me. It's my own personal device, I use it to take tons of stupid selfie photos or private photos with my bf or whatever else I need, and so it's embarrassing to me and it seems unfair to me because that's something I would never do to anyone if I saw their phone sitting around. A big part of it is a respect thing to me, because I am so open and yielding all the time so I feel like I should be treated well for it rather than like a doormat. How would you feel if someone read your diary, or wanted to read your mind? Everyone has a right to have their own space to be themselves and record their own experiences and lives for keepsake without the interference of others, and it's up to one another to uphold that and respect it. If you see your SO's wallet or phone lying around when he/she's away, don't look through it. If your SO leaves something logged in, avert your attention. Even if you feel that you have a reason for doing it or that you cannot trust them, doing something wrong in hopes of making a right won't help your relationship; instead, your relationship will be tied in your mind to the disintegration of your own integrity and be basked in an even more negative light.
 
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Yeah.
Like I mentioned in the other thread, it's not about having anything to hide. It's about them needing to look. I could have a totally empty account and still not give the password, because my principle states that it shouldn't be asked for regardless of the contents.

There are of course exceptions. But for me they'd have to be some pretty awesome and amazing exceptions.
 
I am not sure why anyone would desire that much influence over another. I would never ask for someone's password for their email account, phone, facebook account, or anything else for that matter. I even look away anytime someone's typing in their password at work; I just don't want to know. If someone wanted them from me because they didn't trust me, well that's a matter tobe taken seriously. I would do anything I could to reassure them, but if they were adamant about it, I would log in to whatever they wanted so they could see for themselves, but I still would not give them my passwords. Having someone ask me to do this would be severe blow to our relationship.
 
In my opinion, there should be little reason to hide stuff from a partner, other than maybe embarrassing photos or hobbies where they feel like it's too early in the relationship to open up about yet. The issue is that giving an SO a password for emails, Facebook, and the like, enables them to view interactions between you and others prior to your relationship with them beginning, which may only serve to make an already insecure person feel needlessly even more insecure and defeat the supposed purpose of establishing more trust and eliminating insecurity. I don't have a passcode on my phone, but at the same time, I would feel uncomfortable if even my best friends looked through my personal conversation history in great detail, and I hate it whenever people just grab my phone and scroll through my photos without telling me. It's my own personal device, I use it to take tons of stupid selfie photos or private photos with my bf or whatever else I need, and so it's embarrassing to me and it seems unfair to me because that's something I would never do to anyone if I saw their phone sitting around. A big part of it is a respect thing to me, because I am so open and yielding all the time so I feel like I should be treated well for it rather than like a doormat. How would you feel if someone read your diary, or wanted to read your mind? Everyone has a right to have their own space to be themselves and record their own experiences and lives for keepsake without the interference of others, and it's up to one another to uphold that and respect it. If you see your SO's wallet or phone lying around when he/she's away, don't look through it. If your SO leaves something logged in, avert your attention. Even if you feel that you have a reason for doing it or that you cannot trust them, doing something wrong in hopes of making a right won't help your relationship; instead, your relationship will be tied in your mind to the disintegration of your own integrity and be basked in an even more negative light.

THIS!! This is how I feel! I respect other people's privacy. I don't know how open I am, but I do discuss and talk about things with my loved ones when I can and try my best to be as open as I possibly can. I want that kind of level of respect. I think that this is normal and healthy.
 

That's the word I have trouble with in the OP. She's welcome to my passwords, but no one can "demand" me to do anything, that would be a surefire bet I would do the opposite. I'm just stubborn like that, lol.
 
That's the word I have trouble with in the OP. She's welcome to my passwords, but no one can "demand" me to do anything, that would be a surefire bet I would do the opposite. I'm just stubborn like that, lol.

Yea you're a pain in the ass. ;D
 
This is such a tough subject to address because it opens the doors for so many paths, and some of them can be quite negative.
-Demanding- to see her private email to me means that I don't trust her completely and I don't have enough power in the relationship. I think the best way to approach seeing each others' privacy is by just asking nicely if I would even find it necessary. Paranoia can be a powerful and destructive emotion and like any relationship it is best dealt with when both persons contribute to fixing the problem.