President Donald Trump
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@Stu. All of that is good information. I see where you are coming from now. Having said that I think you are correct I am mostly concerned with terrorism as it pertains to the US and its interests. Of those, Radicalized Muslims currently pose the biggest threat. Other countries affected by terror need to address that in whatever way they see fit..just like the US. Of course this is only my opinion.
Also you went on to mention something about what you call undocumented immigrants...what I call illegal aliens or invasive aliens. I have absolutely no empathy for these people regardless of what border they come across. Come into our country break our laws as you do and don't expect anyone to shed any tears for what happens. I suspect you don't agree with that but that's Ok, people don't agree sometimes.
Anyway I very much appreciate your response I learned some stuff I did not know to begin with.
Also you went on to mention something about what you call undocumented immigrants...what I call illegal aliens or invasive aliens. I have absolutely no empathy for these people regardless of what border they come across. Come into our country break our laws as you do and don't expect anyone to shed any tears for what happens. I suspect you don't agree with that but that's Ok, people don't agree sometimes.
Anyway I very much appreciate your response I learned some stuff I did not know to begin with.
My concern is for public safety, I or my loved ones are more likely to be killed by a vehicle driven by some 40 yr old mom fleeing deportation than be killed by a jihadi. But I live in a city, filled with people not some dead or dying county in the middle of nowhere.
One of the biggest obstacles is what to do about workers here for decades illegally.
do they just get booted?
should families be split?
are some eligible to stay and work?
If they are booted is that good or bad for the economy?
If they stay can they apply for citizenship at some point?
If they are booted what kind of resentment will that build in family members who are citizens?
Does that even matter?
do they just get booted?
should families be split?
are some eligible to stay and work?
If they are booted is that good or bad for the economy?
If they stay can they apply for citizenship at some point?
If they are booted what kind of resentment will that build in family members who are citizens?
Does that even matter?
We need to do what is best for America first. It's the same that is true of us as individuals. We need to take care of ourselves first before others because if we ourselves are not healthy and kill ourselves trying, we can not help them then now or in the future. We do what we must for ourselves first and if we have anything left after that we can discuss how to help others at that point.
I know why the majority come across fhe border. They are looking for something their own country cannot provide. Shouldnt that be where the focus is though? Getting their own country fixed?
We as Americans are partly to blame for illegals hardships here. When politicians turn a blind eye to them coming across the border, allow sanctuary cities to exist, allow employees to hire illegals we are sending the wrong message. Now they have to pay for the mistakes of our politicians and so far as I am concerned those same politicians should be held accountable for what's happening and what is going to happen to those people. It's easy to play with peoples lives when you can do it from far away. I want illegal immigrants to have happy lives but not at our expense.
As for what do we do with them? We drive them across the border, let them out in a parking lot and leave. We then charge the related country a predetermined amount based on how long they were here for taxes they never paid and any services they received from the government dollar.
@Stu. You might find this informative?[/QUOTE]
I do concede the point that illegal immigration is a net drain on the economy.
There needs to be consideration for workers with American born children.
I do not think it wise or moral to split families.
I am concerned about public safety if undocumented individuals feel hunted.
I think it safer to stop the flow in, and make it impossible to get a job.
I think the reality is that businesses like the low wage they get away with paying because of illegal immigration
and that this has been the driving force all along. Those individuals that have benefited should be held accountable.
I see you have thought this through.
thanks but I do not watch online vids for info, it is too difficult to fact check
I do concede the point that illegal immigration is a net drain on the economy.
There needs to be consideration for workers with American born children.
I do not think it wise or moral to split families.
I am concerned about public safety if undocumented individuals feel hunted.
I think it safer to stop the flow in, and make it impossible to get a job.
I think the reality is that businesses like the low wage they get away with paying because of illegal immigration
and that this has been the driving force all along. Those individuals that have benefited should be held accountable.
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Clearly longer term mass immigration is a bad idea and can't help resolve things. we need to re-adjust the world economies to make it a better safer global community. That being said ? just going after immigrants in richer countries in an imhumane way is morally wrong. and will only make things worse. They are human beings and deserve to be treated as such.
I think this is one of your best posts EH. Given a safe decent home environment people don't choose to leave lightly.
Amnesty International just released it’s annual report of the state of the world’s human rights.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/the-state-of-the-world-s-human-rights
http://www.amnestyusa.org/sites/default/files/air201617-english_2016-17_embargo.pdf
Guess what?
Trump is named amongst others as a direct source breeding more fear-mongering, hate, and violence around the world.
Someone wanted some links showing Trump is a fucking psycho...here’s another one to go with the previous.
I’m sure this will be dismissed by the thread OP as “fake news” or "highly biased”...well, I’ll take that over “alternative facts” any day.
Head...is buried...in the sand...cover it up more, maybe it will go away.
Politicians wielding a toxic, dehumanizing “us vs them” rhetoric are creating a more divided and dangerous world, warned Amnesty International today as it launched its annual assessment of human rights around the world.
The report, The State of the World’s Human Rights, delivers the most comprehensive analysis of the state of human rights around the world, covering 159 countries. It warns that the consequences of “us vs them” rhetoric setting the agenda in Europe, the United States and elsewhere is fuelling a global pushback against human rights and leaving the global response to mass atrocities perilously weak.
“President Trump’s policies have brought the US to a level of human rights crisis that we haven’t seen in years,” said Margaret Huang, Executive Director of Amnesty International USA. “As the world braces itself for a new executive order, thousands of people inside and outside of U.S. borders have had their lives thrown into chaos as a result of the president’s travel ban. This administration, like other governments across the world, is playing politics with people’s lives. President Trump and leaders across the globe should be reaffirming and upholding international human rights protections, not exploiting fear and prejudice for their own agendas.”
“2016 was the year when the cynical use of ‘us vs them’ narratives of blame, hate and fear took on a global prominence to a level not seen since the 1930s. Too many politicians are answering legitimate economic and security fears with a poisonous and divisive manipulation of identity politics in an attempt to win votes,” said Salil Shetty, Secretary General of Amnesty International.
“Divisive fear-mongering has become a dangerous force in world affairs. Whether it is Trump, Orban, Erdoğan or Duterte, more and more politicians calling themselves anti-establishment are wielding a toxic agenda that hounds, scapegoats and dehumanizes entire groups of people.
“Today’s politics of demonization shamelessly peddles a dangerous idea that some people are less human than others, stripping away the humanity of entire groups of people. This threatens to unleash the darkest aspects of human nature.”
Politics of demonization drives global pushback on human rights
Seismic political shifts in 2016 exposed the potential of hateful rhetoric to unleash the dark side of human nature. The global trend of angrier and more divisive politics was exemplified by Donald Trump’s poisonous campaign rhetoric, but political leaders in various parts of the world also wagered their future power on narratives of fear, blame and division.
This rhetoric is having an increasingly pervasive impact on policy and action. In 2016, governments turned a blind eye to war crimes, pushed through deals that undermine the right to claim asylum, passed laws that violate free expression, incited murder of people simply because they are accused of using drugs, justified torture and mass surveillance, and extended draconian police powers.
Governments also turned on refugees and migrants; often an easy target for scapegoating. Amnesty International’s Annual Report documents how 36 countries violated international law by unlawfully sending refugees back to a country where their rights were at risk."
http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/the-state-of-the-world-s-human-rights
http://www.amnestyusa.org/sites/default/files/air201617-english_2016-17_embargo.pdf
Guess what?
Trump is named amongst others as a direct source breeding more fear-mongering, hate, and violence around the world.
Someone wanted some links showing Trump is a fucking psycho...here’s another one to go with the previous.
I’m sure this will be dismissed by the thread OP as “fake news” or "highly biased”...well, I’ll take that over “alternative facts” any day.
Head...is buried...in the sand...cover it up more, maybe it will go away.
The State of the World’s Human Rights
‘Politics of demonization’ breeding division and fear
· Amnesty International releases its Annual Report for 2016 to 2017
· Risk of domino effect as powerful states backtrack on human rights commitments
· Salil Shetty, head of the global movement, warns that “never again” has become meaningless as states fail to react to mass atrocities
‘Politics of demonization’ breeding division and fear
· Amnesty International releases its Annual Report for 2016 to 2017
· Risk of domino effect as powerful states backtrack on human rights commitments
· Salil Shetty, head of the global movement, warns that “never again” has become meaningless as states fail to react to mass atrocities
Politicians wielding a toxic, dehumanizing “us vs them” rhetoric are creating a more divided and dangerous world, warned Amnesty International today as it launched its annual assessment of human rights around the world.
The report, The State of the World’s Human Rights, delivers the most comprehensive analysis of the state of human rights around the world, covering 159 countries. It warns that the consequences of “us vs them” rhetoric setting the agenda in Europe, the United States and elsewhere is fuelling a global pushback against human rights and leaving the global response to mass atrocities perilously weak.
“President Trump’s policies have brought the US to a level of human rights crisis that we haven’t seen in years,” said Margaret Huang, Executive Director of Amnesty International USA. “As the world braces itself for a new executive order, thousands of people inside and outside of U.S. borders have had their lives thrown into chaos as a result of the president’s travel ban. This administration, like other governments across the world, is playing politics with people’s lives. President Trump and leaders across the globe should be reaffirming and upholding international human rights protections, not exploiting fear and prejudice for their own agendas.”
“2016 was the year when the cynical use of ‘us vs them’ narratives of blame, hate and fear took on a global prominence to a level not seen since the 1930s. Too many politicians are answering legitimate economic and security fears with a poisonous and divisive manipulation of identity politics in an attempt to win votes,” said Salil Shetty, Secretary General of Amnesty International.
“Divisive fear-mongering has become a dangerous force in world affairs. Whether it is Trump, Orban, Erdoğan or Duterte, more and more politicians calling themselves anti-establishment are wielding a toxic agenda that hounds, scapegoats and dehumanizes entire groups of people.
“Today’s politics of demonization shamelessly peddles a dangerous idea that some people are less human than others, stripping away the humanity of entire groups of people. This threatens to unleash the darkest aspects of human nature.”
Politics of demonization drives global pushback on human rights
Seismic political shifts in 2016 exposed the potential of hateful rhetoric to unleash the dark side of human nature. The global trend of angrier and more divisive politics was exemplified by Donald Trump’s poisonous campaign rhetoric, but political leaders in various parts of the world also wagered their future power on narratives of fear, blame and division.
This rhetoric is having an increasingly pervasive impact on policy and action. In 2016, governments turned a blind eye to war crimes, pushed through deals that undermine the right to claim asylum, passed laws that violate free expression, incited murder of people simply because they are accused of using drugs, justified torture and mass surveillance, and extended draconian police powers.
Governments also turned on refugees and migrants; often an easy target for scapegoating. Amnesty International’s Annual Report documents how 36 countries violated international law by unlawfully sending refugees back to a country where their rights were at risk."
Please read the entire report, it is quite enlightening.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/sites/default/files/air201617-english_2016-17_embargo.pdf
http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/the-state-of-the-world-s-human-rights
http://www.amnestyusa.org/sites/default/files/air201617-english_2016-17_embargo.pdf
http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/the-state-of-the-world-s-human-rights
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I have been on a 'raid' with immigration in the UK many years ago. It was part of a joint working initiative. The 'raid' was on a factory where there were maybe 100-150 people working. The conditions there were poor. it was very cold, poorly lit, the machines looked dangerous and it was dirty.
Most of the workers could barely speak English. They were predominantly women, they were clearly tired, frightened and distressed. it was probably the worst thing I've seen at work. the immigration staff did their stuff, people were led out, any who resisted were put in plastic cuffs, but apart from the tears there was really very little resistance. It was low key and non violent but it felt desperate.
The guy who ran the place ? He came out of his office and laughed in the faces of the immigration staff. Some of the people who worked for him begged him for help, and he ignored all of them. He actually boasted he would get "50 new ones by tomorrow". The immigration staff were livid but he had money, and he was a UK national. He knew he'd get away with it. It was a travesty.
Afterwards I talked to my manager, and he assured me that was the first and last one. "joint working" was all the rage at the time and the manager was a decent guy but not a 'lefty' by any means. I asked how he could be sure, we wouldn't be asked again and he said he didn't care either way. it wasn't going to happen. It didn't . The only person there I'd have deported ? was the creep running the place. All the points you raised matter. They are people not numbers, and their only real crime is wanting to improve their or their families lives.
As a result of the Brexit vote there are British Citizens here now not sure if they can be united with their spouses of different Nationalities. I heard it in passing on the radio so may not be correct, Nationals will need to earn 18k before their partners can re-enter (or stay)? Sounds like lunacy to me, and an infringement of human rights as well.
