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Pizzagate is a massive story.
This is unlike anything I've ever seen.

It's profoundly disturbing info, but we can't ignore what is going on here.

This is certainly not a pleasant topic, it seems to be darker every time look into it.

If you are investigating this, please take breaks when needed.
There are so many things going on here, its a lot to process.

This video is a concise intro to this material.
 
It's mind bogglingly insane.
 
It's mind bogglingly insane.

Yes. This is one reason why people aren't talking about it.

People are not sufficiently prepared to see this layer of reality.
It is difficult to comprehend, I am shocked by it myself.

This subject requires immense energy to process.
We have much work to do. Escapism is not an option.
If this issue is not comprehensively addressed by humanity as a whole, the problem will only grow worse.

It seems we are on path to witness the worst scenario imaginable.

Some of you may realize what is happening. Feel free to contact me.

My sincere thanks and appreciation goes out to those that care.
 
I started watching the first video but couldn't finish. I will try to watch it in its entirety later, but it is pretty disturbing and damning material. I think @Skarekrow (and @Sinny) could shed some light on this topic considering he is not afraid of the rabbit hole. I have always suspected pedophilia is more widespread, especially amongst certain groups of people who welcome taboo behavior, than most want to believe. I know this is a muir-type thread, but that doesn't mean I am dismissing it. I just think extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. At the end of the day, what can be done if these types of allegations are true? If those in power are completely corrupt and immoral, what then? Sometimes I wish I could really delve into these types of topics, but other times I am glad to ignore them. The idea of investigating this story peaks my curiosity and desire for truth, but also makes me feel very dirty and even mildly traumatized. That is why there are really two primary issues here. First, are these claims true. And second, if they are true, what, if anything can be done. And should I bother exposing myself to these ugly stories if the only result is a sense of learned helplessness and despair? The world possesses both beauty and ugliness. When is it appropriate to focus on one rather than the other? This is something I have been grappling with for years. I want to be enlightened, and I want to be happy. My sensitivity makes it more challenging for me to explore certain dark subjects than it is for less sensitive people, like mbti thinkers, to. This is challenging on so many levels. In the past I became obsessed with conspiracy theories, under which this topic fits. I became aware of every possibility, no matter how "out there" it seemed. But at a certain point conspiracy theories seem like a spiritual dead end to me. Focusing on them can ruin your life. So where do you draw the line between curiosity and contentment? The red pill and the blue pill? Is ignorance bliss, or is the unexamined life meaningless? I am raising more questions than I am offering answers. And looking at the big picture more than I am focusing on the details. I guess I sound like an INFJ. What I do know is I am sensitive and profoundly effected by art. And the art in John Podesta's house made me feel awful. To live with that type of art, it is not a stretch to suggest he may be a sick fuck. It is like a more civilized equivalent to a serial killer having decapitated heads in the freezer. It is disgusting. What the fuck? It just inspired me to go on this rant. So now what? If this shit is true, where does that leave us? I am definitely not going over to John Podesta's house, that's for damn sure. To be continued.
 
I read wikileaks daily and deliberately didn't go down this rabbit hole because I got a sick feeling when I started. I had this feeling that I needed to stay away from this. Then I saw it on twitter and my other forum... I'm nauseous right now because here it is on infjs and it's right in front of my face begging me to look. I'm afraid this one is so bad I'll lose my mind over it.

I don't want to look. I don't want to know this. I have a very very strong desire to run away from this to keep my sanity.

I'm probably going to investigate this now. I don't want to. I've been avoiding it. I'm going against what I should do but it's probably what I ought to do.
 
Ok. Look I know that liberals are crazy, thats a given. And admittedly the posts and emails by themselves are suspicious enough. BUT...they have interjected their own words as definitions. Where exactly is the proof that these words mean what they say they mean? Cheese = boy etc... Why can't cheese be goat or even just cheese.
Look I'm the first to say liberals hate America because they do but.. human sacrifice... You are going to have to give way more proof.
 
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I read wikileaks daily and deliberately didn't go down this rabbit hole because I got a sick feeling when I started. I had this feeling that I needed to stay away from this. Then I saw it on twitter and my other forum... I'm nauseous right now because here it is on infjs and it's right in front of my face begging me to look. I'm afraid this one is so bad I'll lose my mind over it.

I don't want to look. I don't want to know this. I have a very very strong desire to run away from this to keep my sanity.

I'm probably going to investigate this now. I don't want to. I've been avoiding it. I'm going against what I should do but it's probably what I ought to do.

I share your extreme ambivalence. It is a tough call. I don't want to watch the first video in its entirety, but I feel like I need to. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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I don't doubt that there's a whole dark underbelly to politics and Hollywood and it wouldn't at all surprise me if pedophilia was part of it. In fact, as sad as it is, on some level, I actually expect it. I know how shady politicians/Hollywood elite are and the length the media will go to carefully craft their opinion in the eyes of the public. They all know each other in the backroom and think they're invincible. That being said, I'm finding the logic of this whole pizzagate scandal extremely difficult to follow. Aren't these the same people who are convinced that meme magic exists?
 
Anyone heard the quote, "Be as wise as serpents but as innocent as doves"?

This stuff is stomach churning and these people, more like demons in human bodies, like that. It's almost like the lunatic you hear about who exposes himself to see people's reactions. There's an element of pride in being as out in the open as possible (without being completely exposed) for these people. A quick google search of Abramovic and Alefantis reveals more disturbing images than what a human mind was meant for. Normal people see it, get short-circuited and lose it.

@dang, you hit the nail on the head with the conflict of wanting to know about this stuff but there being a sense of learned helplessness. We think we have this great civilization but our leaders are a bunch of occult ritual-attending psychopaths. Who knows how dark it really goes. That being said, there are people who spend hours a day with model train sets - just because other people do something like that doesn't mean I have to immerse myself in knowing all about it.

Send out good thoughts to any innocent people, including children who have been or currently are victims of this or any abuse. The sunlight will shine in soon and the ones committing these acts will be brought to justice. In the meantime, I feel like it's CRITICALLY IMPORTANT to be good to others around you. The world changes as you change.

Justice will be served you say? I wish I were more confident in your sentiments.
 
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Thanks to each of you for contributing to this discussion. I appreciate every thoughtful response.

Some people are still thinking this is some concerted effort by the alt media to specifically attack democrats, and this is really not about political parties at all. It goes much deeper than politics. Look beyond the superficial reporting. This issue involves a specific culture and power structure which is quite foreign to most of us. To call it Satanic is not necessarily helpful, as most people have no real clue what Satanism actually is.

We will need to look into this 'old religion' deeper in order to accurately diagnose our current situation. This part of the story is crucial to understand, it cannot be left out. We must develop our awareness and realize why this has been occurring. This is something I haven't seen many researchers and alternative media investigators talk about, there are a handful I know of who are knowledgable enough to speak on these topics. I recommend checking out Mark Passio, for those of you interested in learning more.

I have more to share but need to take a break for now. Spent a few hours writing up a response, and I wont get to post it until later, perhaps tomorrow I will share more.

Until then, here is another video for those of you with questions about the validity of 'pedophile code'.
 
The whole thing has an air of a set-up imo.

The pizzagate chapter has floated since the topic of false news started circulating. While pedophile rings around government and bureaucrats wouldn't be a new thing, this story is a hint too surreal.

I wouldn't be surprised if the pizzagate story was set up prior to the election, when it was assumed that Clinton would win. An incident of violence/murder/suicide/etc. surrounding the actual pizza restaurants of the pizzagate story could have manufactured the narrative necessary to push through laws against "false news" and gun control: ie. 1st and 2nd amendments.

Edit. Having looked into it a little more, my opinion as to the likelihood of there being an actual pedophile ring surrounding the Podestas, hinges on whether the original email hack was of a real Podesta email account.

It makes me wonder about the motives of Clinton having a private email server (did it host a pedophile rings database?), what kind of filth was in her private emails? Why did she chemically destroy the hard-drives after the subpoena?
Who on capitol hill did she have significant dirt on? How many were being actively blackmailed?

*Shiver*
 
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Certainly more out in the open that my own countries Operation Yewtree ( which is an interesting name for an operation into child abuse ) but anyway, I've spent a fair bit of time looking over the articles and what not. I also received a frantic email ( more of a rant ) from an old friend of mine in the far east. Like many of you, he is struggling to make it through some of the videos.

Although I don't doubt underground abuse rings and extensive child sex trafficking networks exist. I'm reluctant to dive in with both feet on this one, whenever I see the herd reacting like this I tend to hang back and see if it's the sheep dog or an actual wolfpack. Going to need a little more concrete evidence and some more time to be sure. This whole thing is packaged very well.

As always, thoughts go out to those who have suffered at the claws of those rancid beasts.
 
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I started watching the first video but couldn't finish. I will try to watch it in its entirety later, but it is pretty disturbing and damning material. I think @Skarekrow (and @Sinny) could shed some light on this topic considering he is not afraid of the rabbit hole. I have always suspected pedophilia is more widespread, especially amongst certain groups of people who welcome taboo behavior, than most want to believe. I know this is a muir-type thread, but that doesn't mean I am dismissing it. I just think extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. At the end of the day, what can be done if these types of allegations are true? If those in power are completely corrupt and immoral, what then? Sometimes I wish I could really delve into these types of topics, but other times I am glad to ignore them. The idea of investigating this story peaks my curiosity and desire for truth, but also makes me feel very dirty and even mildly traumatized. That is why there are really two primary issues here. First, are these claims true. And second, if they are true, what, if anything can be done. And should I bother exposing myself to these ugly stories if the only result is a sense of learned helplessness and despair? The world possesses both beauty and ugliness. When is it appropriate to focus on one rather than the other? This is something I have been grappling with for years. I want to be enlightened, and I want to be happy. My sensitivity makes it more challenging for me to explore certain dark subjects than it is for less sensitive people, like mbti thinkers, to. This is challenging on so many levels. In the past I became obsessed with conspiracy theories, under which this topic fits. I became aware of every possibility, no matter how "out there" it seemed. But at a certain point conspiracy theories seem like a spiritual dead end to me. Focusing on them can ruin your life. So where do you draw the line between curiosity and contentment? The red pill and the blue pill? Is ignorance bliss, or is the unexamined life meaningless? I am raising more questions than I am offering answers. And looking at the big picture more than I am focusing on the details. I guess I sound like an INFJ. What I do know is I am sensitive and profoundly effected by art. And the art in John Podesta's house made me feel awful. To live with that type of art, it is not a stretch to suggest he may be a sick fuck. It is like a more civilized equivalent to a serial killer having decapitated heads in the freezer. It is disgusting. What the fuck? It just inspired me to go on this rant. So now what? If this shit is true, where does that leave us? I am definitely not going over to John Podesta's house, that's for damn sure. To be continued.

I avoid pedophilia stories and topics if I have to.
Just because there is sick and disgusting information to be found on the internet does not mean that one should actively pursue it.
I frankly don’t care which political party is responsible if it is indeed some kind of ring - it’s fucked in the head by any measure, and those who participate or allow it to go on..IMO will get to one day feel the pain and anguish they have caused an innocent child.
 
I avoid pedophilia stories and topics if I have to.
Just because there is sick and disgusting information to be found on the internet does not mean that one should actively pursue it.
I frankly don’t care which political party is responsible if it is indeed some kind of ring - it’s fucked in the head by any measure, and those who participate or allow it to go on..IMO will get to one day feel the pain and anguish they have caused an innocent child.
Given that the apparent purpose of pedophile rings is to evade scrutiny, and facilitate the perversion, I think this kind of scrutiny is almost as necessary as vigilance for child safety.

Given what has been observed in Churches, governments, sporting clubs, scout troops, schools, etc. etc., I think keeping an eagle-eye open for sub-cliques of perversion, at every level of society, is (unfortunately) an ongoing necessity.