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In light of School Shootings. What about the shooter themselves?

I have a problem arguing about guns and gun laws. Why? The people I am arguing with don't even know the current laws. The people I am arguing with sit at home watching the news while I sit in a tree with a high-powered rifle. Maybe I am in a boat catching fish. Maybe I know what happens to those unarmed and uneducated.

If the military has a semi-auto weapon, I will have one. If the police have a semi-auto pistol, I will have one. The criminals have them. Making them more difficult for sane people to own doesn't help the situation. Guns are stolen and sold. I have a safe mounted like a mountain. It is called due diligence.

I don't have the time to try and disprove the silly quotes by the crow. Most people see half empty and half full as the same. I do not. Fact is, most people that believe in our rights to bear arms are not on this forum. Wonder why?

News flash! Texting and driving under the influence kill more people than guns. Don't trust the Brady bunch, as they will lie to further their agenda. I wouldn't put it past them to....never mind.
 
Beg to understand what you are saying, but still disagree. Why? Likelihood of an IDIOT should not mandate law for the people. Saying something subtle is dangerous, presumptuous, and defiant of current laws where people are innocent until proven guilty.

Why are you bringing laws into this? My comment was about culture and availability heuristic, not law.
 
So far, Obama has helped sell more guns than anyone else in America.

It's such a vicious cycle. Some one kills an innocent person with a firearm. People get scared, buy guns. More people have guns, more people get killed. People get even more scared and buy more guns. All of a sudden, there's school shootings and talks of teachers being armed ...

I usually try to keep a cool head, but this honestly breaks my heart.
 
Personally I think that these shootings keep occurring reflects a society that is starting to degrade. The US has spend so much money on foreign affairs and geopolitics.
Imagine what sort of positive impact such amount of effort and investment would have made if it was spend on improving the lives of their own citizens.
That said, in some schools usually in cities, we do have stabbings, and whilst it usually sticks to one victim, it's not that much different.

Anyway, I do think this guy has a point. I don't know him other than this video though.
[video=youtube;B5ELyG9V1SY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ELyG9V1SY[/video]

[MENTION=5601]ezra[/MENTION], everyone in Switzerland owns a gun. People don't do school shootings there. It's not a weapons cycle, its a social & healthcare one.
I really think it's quality of life that causes people to do this stuff.
Lots of these guys had either mental issues or were bullied super bad with mental issues as a result.
If there was a better early warning support system for this and a culture less tolerant of bullying this might happen less if not at all.

I also think we're going to see more issues resulting from a lack of mental healthcare and support systems are going to cause more trouble.
In my country, they've copied the american healthcare systems meaning you're minimally insured for pretty much nothing unless you are filthy rich and can afford all the extra packages.
Mental healthcare I tell you is never covered. Psychologists? good luck getting a job with the amount of you that graduate each year, you're not covered under the basic package.
If people cannot even afford healthcare... well.. tough luck right ? It means all those psychiatric patients that before were able to get the help they needed, now cannot and may cause others harm.

In my opinion if you want to fix a problem, you should fix it at it's source, that ain't guns, they are social, cultural and healthcare issues.
The only reason these shootings make it to the news, is because they're rare. You don't see every murder on the news now anymore now either right?
In europe we don't have many guns if at all, but the crimes happen just as much carried out with different tools, such as knives. Usually kitchen knives... ^^"


Perhaps we should lay less of a focus on the tools, and more on the origins from which the violence resulted.
 
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Not to mention that criminals in Europe and Japan are all soft and fluffy compared to ours.

This whole idea that criminals get guns because other people get guns is nonsense and doesn't explain kids being shot for their shoes, or drive by shootings. They want guns because they want power. If you don't have a gun that just makes it easier for them. They rob old grannies that don't fight back. Piss off the wrong gang banger and the whole fucking neighborhood shows up to beat you to death.

They don't give a shit who doesn't have guns. A lot of mall guards don't have guns and they're regularly flouted as a joke. Like they're going to let a cop with a stick chase them down and just arrest them. It'd be more like "we're leaving and if you try to arrest us you're getting shot"
 
@ezra , everyone in Switzerland owns a gun. People don't do school shootings there. It's not a weapons cycle, its a social & healthcare one.
I really think it's quality of life that causes people to do this stuff.
Lots of these guys had either mental issues or were bullied super bad with mental issues as a result.
If there was a better early warning support system for this and a culture less tolerant of bullying this might happen less if not at all.

I also think we're going to see more issues resulting from a lack of mental healthcare and support systems are going to cause more trouble.
In my country, they've copied the american healthcare systems meaning you're minimally insured for pretty much nothing unless you are filthy rich and can afford all the extra packages.
Mental healthcare I tell you is never covered. Psychologists? good luck getting a job with the amount of you that graduate each year, you're not covered under the basic package.
If people cannot even afford healthcare... well.. tough luck right ? It means all those psychiatric patients that before were able to get the help they needed, now cannot and may cause others harm.

In my opinion if you want to fix a problem, you should fix it at it's source, that ain't guns, they are social, cultural and healthcare issues.
The only reason these shootings make it to the news, is because they're rare. You don't see every murder on the news now anymore now either right?
In europe we don't have many guns if at all, but the crimes happen just as much carried out with different tools, such as knives. Usually kitchen knives... ^^"


Perhaps we should lay less of a focus on the tools, and more on the origins from which the violence resulted. copied ^^^

Bully for you!! Most people I know that have guns seems like they have always had guns. Healthcare: says a lot. Thank you.
 
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UGH. Just like the news a while back with the: "The shooter was said to have been an introvert"
UGH.

Bullies are often looking for weak victims in order to be able to attack without fear of reprisal. Many people interpret quietness and kindness as weakness so yes, introverts are more likely to be bullied than extroverts. I think in most cases these shootings are a case of bullies choosing the wrong target, probably due to the error in judgement I just mentioned.

It isn't meant as an insult to introverts, even if some take it that way. However I do believe this issue is related to introversion
 
Do laws even work?
 
I have a problem arguing about guns and gun laws. Why? The people I am arguing with don't even know the current laws. The people I am arguing with sit at home watching the news while I sit in a tree with a high-powered rifle. Maybe I am in a boat catching fish. Maybe I know what happens to those unarmed and uneducated.

If the military has a semi-auto weapon, I will have one. If the police have a semi-auto pistol, I will have one. The criminals have them. Making them more difficult for sane people to own doesn't help the situation. Guns are stolen and sold. I have a safe mounted like a mountain. It is called due diligence.

I don't have the time to try and disprove the silly quotes by the crow. Most people see half empty and half full as the same. I do not. Fact is, most people that believe in our rights to bear arms are not on this forum. Wonder why?

News flash! Texting and driving under the influence kill more people than guns. Don't trust the Brady bunch, as they will lie to further their agenda. I wouldn't put it past them to....never mind.

It's good for the rest of us that you are so willing to share your personal experience of gun ownership. As a person who has never owned a gun and will never own a gun, I'm curious about your experience as a gun owner. Why do you spend your time sitting in a tree with a high powered rifle? And what kinds of things do you do when you are sitting in the tree with your high powered rifle? What do you look at when you're sitting in the tree with your high powered rifle - do you look at your neighbours and their children? Does your gun have a scope on it, or do you look through "sights"? (I don't really understand guns.) What do you think about when you are looking down the length of your gun, or holding your gun close to your body and looking out over the neighbourhood around you? What do your neighbours think about you sitting in the tree with your high powered rifle?

What happens to those who are unarmed and uneducated? Are they shot down by people who are armed and uneducated? Please tell us what happens to them.

I am under the impression that the military and police are not your enemies, but that they are your employees. I think that your tax dollars are paying for them to spend their time preventing people from killing you. Or maybe they have been privatised now? I don't really understand the legalities of it all?

How did you get to know so much about "most people"? Did you ask them? Did you read about them in a publication? Or are you just sharing your personal beliefs about them?

"Wonder why"? I don't know, but I want to understand it. Why didn't you give the explanation in your post? Why don't you tell us why?

The Brady Bunch - I think they are a fictional family in a television show. What wouldn't you put it past them to do? Why did you suggest that they would do something without saying what it is that they would do? Some particular reason?

Why so mysterious? There's so much your post isn't saying - so many questions unanswered.
 
I have a problem arguing about guns and gun laws. Why? The people I am arguing with don't even know the current laws. The people I am arguing with sit at home watching the news while I sit in a tree with a high-powered rifle. Maybe I am in a boat catching fish. Maybe I know what happens to those unarmed and uneducated.

If the military has a semi-auto weapon, I will have one. If the police have a semi-auto pistol, I will have one. The criminals have them. Making them more difficult for sane people to own doesn't help the situation. Guns are stolen and sold. I have a safe mounted like a mountain. It is called due diligence.

I don't have the time to try and disprove the silly quotes by the crow. Most people see half empty and half full as the same. I do not. Fact is, most people that believe in our rights to bear arms are not on this forum. Wonder why?

News flash! Texting and driving under the influence kill more people than guns. Don't trust the Brady bunch, as they will lie to further their agenda. I wouldn't put it past them to....never mind.

You still haven’t addressed the one question I asked of you @just me
Instead of disproving any of the facts I posted - you spent a whole paragraph talking about your love of sitting in your tree stand waiting to kill something with your high powered rifle - how sportsman-like!

Can a private gun owner legally sell his/her gun to ANYONE that has the cash in a private sale, no checks, just need the cash…not even a transfer of ownership in many cases…is this false?

It’s a very simple question.
 
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What about the 11 year old who shot his 8 year old neighbor with a shotgun, arguing about puppies?

A lot of people are born messed up and what's sad is most people who truly have problems cannot see that, until one of their actions certainly proves they are messed up in the head. I think the families of these people should get a ton of help since they are exposed to the unhealthy behaviors and may be able to see the faults of their loved ones easier than they can see in themselves. Get the families help so they can help their kid/adult etc.

But then I think people can kill one another with pretty much anything, just guns make it easier.


You Take Away Guns, And Someone’s Just Gonna Invent, Manufacture, And Use A High-Powered Knife Launcher
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It's good for the rest of us that you are so willing to share your personal experience of gun ownership. As a person who has never owned a gun and will never own a gun, I'm curious about your experience as a gun owner. Why do you spend your time sitting in a tree with a high powered rifle? And what kinds of things do you do when you are sitting in the tree with your high powered rifle? What do you look at when you're sitting in the tree with your high powered rifle - do you look at your neighbours and their children? Does your gun have a scope on it, or do you look through "sights"? (I don't really understand guns.) What do you think about when you are looking down the length of your gun, or holding your gun close to your body and looking out over the neighbourhood around you? What do your neighbours think about you sitting in the tree with your high powered rifle?

What happens to those who are unarmed and uneducated? Are they shot down by people who are armed and uneducated? Please tell us what happens to them.

I am under the impression that the military and police are not your enemies, but that they are your employees. I think that your tax dollars are paying for them to spend their time preventing people from killing you. Or maybe they have been privatised now? I don't really understand the legalities of it all?

How did you get to know so much about "most people"? Did you ask them? Did you read about them in a publication? Or are you just sharing your personal beliefs about them?

"Wonder why"? I don't know, but I want to understand it. Why didn't you give the explanation in your post? Why don't you tell us why?

The Brady Bunch - I think they are a fictional family in a television show. What wouldn't you put it past them to do? Why did you suggest that they would do something without saying what it is that they would do? Some particular reason?

Why so mysterious? There's so much your post isn't saying - so many questions unanswered.

When I sit in a tree, I am usually aware of movement. It may be a squirrel I can watch awhile. Don't want it to see me, because it will sound an alarm. A Pileated Woodpecker will light on a dead tree, make an awesome noise, and go to pecking while looking for insects. The swamp is coming alive, as I climbed in the dark. An owl might come into the area, looking for breakfast. I may see a turkey run around a swamp head looking behind me, then run. Three minutes later a coyote will come walking by and stop. He is so close I can see him breathing in and out behind his rib cage.

I have sat and watched two fawns playing on an adjacent island in the swamp, wishing I had a recorder. Today is opening day of deer season, but here I sit drinking coffee. I still have venison frozen. I may go fishing this afternoon, hoping to add fresh trout to the freezer. I have had a falcon almost talon my face while slowly turning it wearing a mask. He must have thought my eyes were something to eat. I have had young bucks walk right to my tree and look up at me with a puzzled look. I have had several foxes walk across my path and follow it to my tree(when I had a Jack Russell Terrier. I have watched fox squirrels, even a solid black one, hopping along to another pine tree. They like pine trees.

I feel part of something out there: part of a vast creation of things. They are moving to or from a bedding area or looking for food, just as I. When we get low on venison, I will take a deer home and process it for the freezer. I go through a moment of silence and thanksgiving, just as the Indians we slaughtered did. They lived at peace with nature, and nature provided for them. They wasted nothing. We bury the parts of fish we don't eat under our trees, bushes, and flowers. We feed the buzzards with what we do not eat from the deer. I am a meat hunter, not a trophy hunter. The woods is a part of me I love, as are the rivers and estuaries. I even share with certain friends that enjoy it and cannot go. Yes, it is in my blood. I have removed hooks from soft-shelled turtles on bush lines while others are fishing for catfish. I also hunt with a shotgun, to take ducks, quail, geese, dove, and the likes. We eat the meat. We cast for shrimp, too. No gun: we use a cast net. Being able to experience all these things has been a true blessing.

The Brady Bunch are obsessed.
 
I have a problem arguing about guns and gun laws. Why? The people I am arguing with don't even know the current laws. The people I am arguing with sit at home watching the news while I sit in a tree with a high-powered rifle. Maybe I am in a boat catching fish. Maybe I know what happens to those unarmed and uneducated.

If the military has a semi-auto weapon, I will have one. If the police have a semi-auto pistol, I will have one. The criminals have them. Making them more difficult for sane people to own doesn't help the situation. Guns are stolen and sold. I have a safe mounted like a mountain. It is called due diligence.

I don't have the time to try and disprove the silly quotes by the crow. Most people see half empty and half full as the same. I do not. Fact is, most people that believe in our rights to bear arms are not on this forum. Wonder why?

News flash! Texting and driving under the influence kill more people than guns. Don't trust the Brady bunch, as they will lie to further their agenda. I wouldn't put it past them to....never mind.

Gun control aside, your attitude is the type of sick reasoning that causes mass shootings. "Someone else has it, so I need it" is one step away from "someone else may kill me, so I must kill them".

If people like you won't willingly admit yourself for psychiatric treatment, the least anyone can do is take away your ability to own tools you could use to harm yourself of others.
 
just as the Indians we slaughtered did. They lived at peace with nature, and nature provided for them.

I've been reading what you've written. What I see is contradiction in yourself. I posted the links I did to unbalance you a bit which I have and I'm sorry. I spotted the book on the side of your avatar called Bible study so I used Omen III. You said at the beginning if a deer looked at you it was hard to shoot and now you post about a buck that looks at you puzzled. Are you sure that the puzzled one isn't you? Quite a lot of times people naturally attribute their own feelings to animals so using the word "puzzled" makes me feel for you.
I know it sounds like a big ask but have you ever thought of going a while without hunting and instead focusing on your wife and making her happy? Go on a holiday to Spain or France and drink coffee there. I know you were brought up to hunt but if you tried a new thing. : ) You never know where it could take you.
 
Gun control aside, your attitude is the type of sick reasoning that causes mass shootings. "Someone else has it, so I need it" is one step away from "someone else may kill me, so I must kill them".

If people like you won't willingly admit yourself for psychiatric treatment, the least anyone can do is take away your ability to own tools you could use to harm yourself of others.

Read the Constitution of the US and stick your opinion in your feathers.
 
I've been reading what you've written. What I see is contradiction in yourself. I posted the links I did to unbalance you a bit which I have and I'm sorry. I spotted the book on the side of your avatar called Bible study so I used Omen III. You said at the beginning if a deer looked at you it was hard to shoot and now you post about a buck that looks at you puzzled. Are you sure that the puzzled one isn't you? Quite a lot of times people naturally attribute their own feelings to animals so using the word "puzzled" makes me feel for you.
I know it sounds like a big ask but have you ever thought of going a while without hunting and instead focusing on your wife and making her happy? Go on a holiday to Spain or France and drink coffee there. I know you were brought up to hunt but if you tried a new thing. : ) You never know where it could take you.

Most everyone has gotten "caught" by a huge deer and had to freeze. It's called buck fever. It happened to me while swapping my rifle around from one side to the other and I couldn't shoot. I'm ambidextrous with a rifle. The big buck started to lower his head down, then snapped it back up at me. It unnerved me a bit. I don't know why I even worry about what you think; I'm trying to let you see through the eyes of a young hunter just starting, but you twist it like the Brady Bunch twists things all around.

When a first year spike buck walks over to your tree while you are climbing down and stares at you, he is trying to figure out what he is looking at. I call that puzzled. You twist it.

To every thing there is a season...send me the tickets and we'll be sure to go drink coffee, but we'd both rather go to New Zealand or the Great Barrier Reef.
 
Let me ask: are the games where kids "kill" other people alright with you, or are the games where people shoot wild game much more terrifying?
 
You still haven’t addressed the one question I asked of you @just me
Instead of disproving any of the facts I posted - you spent a whole paragraph talking about your love of sitting in your tree stand waiting to kill something with your high powered rifle - how sportsman-like!

Can a private gun owner legally sell his/her gun to ANYONE that has the cash in a private sale, no checks, just need the cash…not even a transfer of ownership in many cases…is this false?

It’s a very simple question.

No, not to just anyone. Straw sales and purchases are illegal.
 
Scarecrow, I am a true sportsman. You act like a nut. Squirrels would love you.
 
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Anyone that was raising their bow or other weapon and had to stop when a ten point buck stared at them knows all about adrenalin. That is why we practice. Shooting under pressure does require practice.
Do you believe in Psychology?
I don't know who the Brady Bunch are but I'd be interested as to why they are so offensive to you. Sometimes what people are most offended by are what they are themselves if they let down their defences.