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Jordan Peterson

Yoh Asakura said:
You damn right, this comes straight from the halls of Kahzad Dum.
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Yoh Asakura said:
Well, I think independent of this YouTube sample that Peterson makes too many leaps in his reasoning and ignores the genealogical development of western thinking and ethics across history. Where he ascribes much of western culture to Christianity it's clear that if one looks at the influence of Greece and Rome on the history of the west there wouldn't be Christianity in the form it takes in western society if not for Greece and Rome.

As for western civilization in general, especially for America, most of our political structures, civic standards, and civic attitudes that operate in courthouse and law, however flawed they may be, have their roots in Rome, Athens, and Sparta. Most of the early ambition of political development of Western Europe countries whether it was France, Germany, Italy, Byzantium, Britian, or Russia was all an attempt to become a new Rome or bring about a revivification and greater expression of Roman values. Charlamagne for instance was crowned emperor of Rome not king of the Franks. Perhaps more telling is most western Catholics are Roman Catholics as the early church considered itself the new Rome which is why the Pope could crown Charlamagne emperor even though Byzantium was still technically Ancient Eastern Rome. I feel Peterson gives too much credit to Christianity and the Bible than is warranted given the actual history of western countries. Yet, I will say that 2,000 years of Christianity is why most people see and think the ways that they do about morality. One would not have egalitarianism, socialism, civil rights, feminism, secular humanism, and Critical Theory without Christianity, but Christianity doesn't power cultures as much as Paganism does. Even Christian art was fairly simplistic and took a long time to develop and become sophisticated in comparison to say Islamic, Egyptian, Grecian, Babylonian, and Syrian art. It wasn't until European Christians were introduced to Grecian and Roman art, architecture, philosophy, and natural philosophy, did alchemy, great art, modern science and mathematics emerge largely through the Renaissance--(a pagan revaluation of Christain values) which the Protestant Reformation ended promptly.

Yes, the Middle Ages featured advances in scholasticism and logic, but largely Christian European civilization was inferior in its cultural productions in comparison to Islam, early Norse, Germanic, and Celtic societies though they were mostly illiterate, the Poetic Eddas for instance influenced much of the development of fantasy literature in the west. For example, Tolkien didn't invent elves, dwarfs, goblins, or ents they were creatures or beings feature in Norse mythological literature that he adapted along with the Arthurian Legends and Beau Wolf as well as the Iliad, Odyssey, and Aenid whose creations all predate Christianity's conquering of Britian and Scandinavia. It's also no secret that Shakespeare was influenced by Aeschylus, Sophocles, Homer, Euripides, Ovid, and Vergil as well British and Celtic Myth. To add, most of our calendar, holidays, and celebrations are pagan in origin that were Christianized. Yes, Christianity and The Bible have had a big influence on western imagination, thinking, and history don't misunderstand me, but it is not the foundation of western society Paganism is and Christianity is the Neo-cortex.

Even for the Bible its clear to modern scholars that the Gospels were written by Hellenistic Jews or Greek Slaves within the Roman empire who were familiar with stoicism, epicureanism, Platonism, and cynicism which all predate Christianity's emergence historically, so early Christian writers were influenced by these philosophies in their thinking about theology which is why the Bible looks a lot of the way it does in terms of theology and doxology within the new testament, particularly the epistles of Paul and John which is why the first copies of the New Testament are written in Greek, not Hebrew or Latin.
coNext Christianity is more a Judaism than it is something all its own which is why Jewish people resented Christians during the early emergences of Christianity, and why antisemitisms was initially and most aggressively practiced by Christians to eliminate their Judaic rivals. Antisemitisms history is much older than the Nazis and is nowhere to be found in the ancient pre-Christian world. People like to point to the sack of Jerusalem as an antisemitic act in history, but Rome conquered Greece which had conquered Judea, so they were rulers over Judea and the Jewish people wanted their freedom and so rebelled and well it wouldn't have mattered if the Athenians or Jews rebled against the Romans just like the Galls the Romans are going to crush you, because that's the way Romans fought war period. That's not to say that the Romans weren't racist, because they certainly thought themselves superior to all other races of people only having real respect for The Greeks, Carthaginians, and Germanic Tribes.

Jordan Peterson isn't real a student of Western history, nor is he a real student of philosophy. I could say more about his lack of philosophical acumen and understanding, but I feel I've gone for long enough here.
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Just to steer on the right direction here, can you:
1) correlate American structure to Ancient Greece demography
2) Christian values
3) Christian progression being inferior to Islam (this one I really are about)
 
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jesusisdaking123 said:
also just curious hormone pumped me, i wanted to ask from someone elses perspective of course... what is it like to date an enfp
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There’s no way to say because that’s down to the people involved, and is far too complex and deep to reduce to MBTI.

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Ian
 
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jesusisdaking123 said:
also just curious hormone pumped me, i wanted to ask from someone elses perspective of course... what is it like to date an enfp
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Hi and welcome to the forum :) . I don't know the answer to your question but maybe this gives some hints with a bit of extrapolation :p

 
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John K said:
Hi and welcome to the forum :) . I don't know the answer to your question but maybe this gives some hints with a bit of extrapolation :p

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jfc, lmfao :D

Lulz,
Ian
 
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jesusisdaking123 said:
also just curious hormone pumped me, i wanted to ask from someone elses perspective of course... what is it like to date an enfp
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Well, my experience of the one ENFP girl I dated in college while I was living is southern California, was that she was extremely playful almost like a puppy. She loved to do silly and romantic things, but romantic in the sense of Romanticism, she literally would stop in the middle of a conversation pick some flowers smell them and press them towards my face with a smile saying, "isn't the spring wonderful! They smell so great!" She was definitely distractable as a person, seeming to go from one thing to another and had a penitent for rescuing stray animals and people. She never could keep a consistent diet, one month she was a Vegan, the next she was on Paleo, then She went Atkins, to going to Mcdonal's for three weeks straight. She really valued spending time with her family and often would like for us to hang out with her family doing something like getting Sushi or Indian food, she was addicted to Sushi and turned me into an addict. We both went broke for like 3 months straight spending the vast majority of our money on rolls. She loved to dance and would dance randomly in shopping centers, grocery stores, and on campus at random intervals. She was always looking to get on the road and drive somewhere; she loved listening to the playlist I would make, and we would drive going wherever sparked our interest. She was very liberal in certain regards. The only downside to her was that she was sometimes too flirtatious a personality, she was moody, she held grudges, and did not always tell you how she was feeling. She also was a bit naive when it came to dealing with people, not really knowing a villain when she saw one. More so, she was pretty flakey and struggled as a student at times. These things wouldn't have bothered me if they didn't bother her so much, she really beat herself up over where she fell like she fell short as a person. Too add, sometimes she would just get depressed. Why? who knows; she definitely didn't. I usually am an astute psychoanalyst and some of her emotional states were impervious to real analysis, sometimes sex and ice cream worked, but in most instances, I was just going to have a brooding ENFP sleeping next to me for about a week. She was a real existential pioneer and the ultimate it's not you it's me person. She was very inspiring to me as a person, but sometimes she would get competitive with me and super pushy which I couldn't stand and would cause us to argue. She also really wanted me to talk more, and I just don't. It was overall nice to date my ENFP, but at the time we met neither of us were really ready to settle down.
 
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Yoh Asakura said:
She loved to do silly and romantic things, but romantic in the sense of Romanticism, she literally would stop in the middle of a conversation pick some flowers smell them and press them towards my face with a smile saying, "isn't the spring wonderful! They smell so great!"
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WOW thank you for this... it was, insightful! I really feel like an enfp now cause i do that same shit all the time... especially that picking up lowers at random and commenting them. I feel like we do that for three reasons. 1. we were genuienly distracted because our ever curious minds were scanning our surrrounding, looking for something that we didnt notice before. 2. we have just had a sudden thought or realization of our emotions and would like to share it with someone by corralating it with something near us or with something to relate with our epiphany. 3.we dont really like whats being talked about in the conversation or who its affecting we try to shift ihe dialogue because we dont want to tell that person or group of people ( especially if its coming from someone we love) that we dont want to talk about it. OK whew that was A LOT of typing... hope this will help yall out on dealing with enfp partner, and any enfps want to tell me something else youve noticed about us I'd love your feedback!:)
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