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I can definitely repress that ability when I’m overwhelmed by a situation and don’t feel like it’s the right time or the person may not actually want to hear it. Its also tied to my own current mental health. If I’m living in the future and worrying about all the upcoming problems then sometimes I don’t feel like I have the presence of mind to use that side of myself. If I’ve had too much contact with aggressive types then that side of me can also go into hiding.
 
Don't forget that we see only one side of heroes and other great people in history and the flaws and complexities are rarely recorded and passed along. It makes it impossible to live up to heroes because we don't know how real they really were.
This was in fact why I chose these guys - because to a significant extent they have become like symbols that I can project onto. It's very hard to see my shadow otherwise, and particularly with repressed positive aspects of myself there's lots of room for either over-indulgent wishful thinking or for selling myself short. Like you say, the real people will have been a mixture of good, bad and indifferent, like the rest of us - Augustine did put a lot of effort into making public his struggles with his dark side, which is one of the many reasons why he is such a remarkable guy.

The echoes that come back from my projections, and which I find set me resonating within, seem to be touching at least a part of the spot. It's so hard to disentangle it from my dark shadow stuff though and see what is actual potential, and what is just wishful thinking. What they all embody is an experience of the divine, and that is something I too, in my own small way and clouded by my dark side, have experienced deep within me - and that too I project, not just onto these special people, but onto the whole world. I guess that is the heart and soul of my creativity - but I'm really just an amateur.
 
Hmh.. I had been wondering if there were a term for "positive parts" that might have been pushed into the shadow and repressed. Nice, Asa! Thank you.

I think the topic varies wether you look from the Ego-you or the Self-you onto the topic, no?

It might make sense if the ego is inclined to look for admiration and aspiration and want-to-be. While from the Self perspective I think it makes sense if the "negative part" that is pushed into the shadow is basically just re-evaluated. Everything "negative" has a "positive" side. Weakness becomes strength, right? It's the transformation in the hero's journey. Full acceptance and embrace.*

Those traces are found in dreams, I guess. Like you wrote that people might see cameos of celebrities in their dreams. The wise man or wise woman that visits you in dreams, which you can try to commune with in Active Imagination..?

I wonder about the fine line between external admiration and unleashed inner potential, where it isn't easily distinguished nor obvious.

Just some thoughts...


*(Also wondering if intuition is partially pushed here collectively in our modern society.)
 
Edited due to Asa's new reply about things repressed:

Given the notion of parts that are good that we repress, I'm not entirely sure. I think it's difficult to recognize what you repress in yourself. I suppose it would be the things that you grew up feeling shamed about, that others might consider 'good' who knew you well. I was often told that I was too zealous or overly affectionate when I was younger. These things I've tempered (believe it or not), and choose to only demonstrate them to certain people in the amount that would be considered my 'norm'. However, I would prefer not feeling shamed for loving other people, or for telling them openly what I know to be true of them deep down. I think other people feel uncomfortable with this because they maybe aren't as open, so they use a comparative judgment and then project shame. It's happened all my life, so not really something I know how not to be wary of or to repress around most.

This touches on some of the articles I've read about the Golden Shadow –– good aspects of your personality that you were scolded or bullied to hide because they weren't appropriate in the eyes of those you were surrounded by even though they are positive aspects of your being.

In this case, you need to find the people who will support that gentler and more affectionate side of you.

Nice post Asa. In response, I see my strength is in spreading positivity in encouragement and acknowledging the strengths of others. My goal in life is to plant little seeds of goodness in the people I meet everyday or to water the flower that is already grown. In 100 years nobody will remember my name and I’m totally ok with that but if I can just enhance the lives of everyday contacts then mission accomplished.

Hello and welcome! You need a profile pic. That is a beautiful and meaningful mission. Lives of service are supposed to be the most fulfilling.

I can definitely repress that ability when I’m overwhelmed by a situation and don’t feel like it’s the right time or the person may not actually want to hear it. Its also tied to my own current mental health. If I’m living in the future and worrying about all the upcoming problems then sometimes I don’t feel like I have the presence of mind to use that side of myself. If I’ve had too much contact with aggressive types then that side of me can also go into hiding.

Hmmm, I'm going to suggest the same advice I suggested to @Anomaly: avoid the aggressive types. Find your people.
If you can't avoid them, create space with bravery and confidence. If you give off the attitude that you can't be f-cked with, you'll be granted the room to be a gentler person.

I hung with aggressive types most of my life and it doesn't get easier to be your softer, kinder self until you create that gap. Sometimes a physical gap isn't possible, so being brave and confident about the traits you want to encourage in yourself also acts as a gap.

Augustine did put a lot of effort into making public his struggles with his dark side, which is one of the many reasons why he is such a remarkable guy.

I don't know much about saints. Is this St. Augustine of Hippo? Is St. Augustine, Florida also named for him? I want to read more about him.

The echoes that come back from my projections, and which I find set me resonating within, seem to be touching at least a part of the spot. It's so hard to disentangle it from my dark shadow stuff though and see what is actual potential, and what is just wishful thinking.

Hmmmm. I think you are selling yourself short by labeling anything potentially golden as "wishful thinking".

What they all embody is an experience of the divine, and that is something I too, in my own small way and clouded by my dark side, have experienced deep within me - and that too I project, not just onto these special people, but onto the whole world. I guess that is the heart and soul of my creativity - but I'm really just an amateur.

Again, I don't perceive you as an amateur. I can make an educated guess that others on the forum do not, either. You're more like the people you admire than you recognize. The nature of this spiritual life, though, is to keep wandering and keep seeking. You may never feel like you are "there" but to others, you are far more "there" than you realize and we appreciate you for that.
 
Do you think you embody (any of) these traits, even deep-down?
If I'm being honest with barely a modicum of humility, I do. It's also the same values that send me to my darker shadows. Because I think I'm being patriotic and selfless, I let myself be burned until I'm out and charcoaled.

I think that these values are exclusive to a certain extent because personally, I could be patriotic without essentially being selfless. I could be of service without being selfless either. Plus I could do all of it while complaining which doesn't make the strength quiet either. I aspire to put them together in my daily life to be a certain kind of person. On the good days, they shine. Most days, I'm just a selfish person eager to change the world and not necessarily my country. On most days, I don't do anything for the country either. LMAO.

On the subject of the golden shadow, however, there are more of such sides to me that I've let gone to hiding. Warmth, being outwardly loving without reservations, maternal caring... These are values that I tend to reserve until I can thoroughly trust my judgment.
 
Excuse me while I repress my entire being for a moment.
BRB.
 
That's what happens when you're awesome.

I don't think that's how any of this works.
But then again, I don't know anything.
 
I don't understand any of this either.

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I am trying to wrack my brain on this Golden Shadow stuff, genuinely.
There's just a lot to orient myself with.
What do I repress? I'm not entirely sure.
Can I even unrepress that thing and not at the same time repress something else. I'm not sure.

I think I tend to reserve my serious analytical side for people who I know will absorb it correctly.
I'm not sure if I'm even very skilled in that area, however.
And reserving it sort of gives it more meaning in a way.

I'm just not sure about any of this Golden Shadow stuff.
It's very compelling though.
 
The echoes that come back from my projections, and which I find set me resonating within, seem to be touching at least a part of the spot. It's so hard to disentangle it from my dark shadow stuff though and see what is actual potential, and what is just wishful thinking.

Hmmmm. I think you are selling yourself short by labeling anything potentially golden as "wishful thinking".

It might make sense if the ego is inclined to look for admiration and aspiration and want-to-be. [...]
I wonder about the fine line between external admiration and unleashed inner potential, where it isn't easily distinguished nor obvious.

Yeah. I get your notion, John. Being able to dinstinguish is essential here.. and I don't think that seeing your shadow easily is particularly "meant to be". xD

Great topic anyways. :)
 
I don't know much about saints. Is this St. Augustine of Hippo? Is St. Augustine, Florida also named for him? I want to read more about him.
Yes, St Augustine, Florida is named after St Augustine of Hippo. Try looking at St Augutine's Confessions to get an intimate picture of the guy - it's fascinating. It's a sort of autobiography / blog, and in his own very different fashion he expresses his intense love affair with God - it's not like Rumi at all, yet at the same time, it is.

Hmmmm. I think you are selling yourself short by labeling anything potentially golden as "wishful thinking".
Yeah. I get your notion, John. Being able to dinstinguish is essential here.. and I don't think that seeing your shadow easily is particularly "meant to be". xD
LOL of course I possibly am selling myself short, but that's part of the great inward adventure: and the fact that I feel slightly awkward discussing it is a dead sure sign of shadow stuff. I need to rely heavily on feedback from others on what's in my shadow, both for good or ill, because it's very hard to see it with straight and objective sight by myself. Asa, I value very much your comments, because those are judgements I'd fear to make by myself - that’s because as well as being blind to them it's so easy to claim faults and virtues that we don't really have at all, or not to the degree that we'd like to think we have them. Self-honesty in exploring our own shadows is not a trivial thing to achieve, like Impact Character says. .

Again, I don't perceive you as an amateur. I can make an educated guess that others on the forum do not, either. You're more like the people you admire than you recognize. The nature of this spiritual life, though, is to keep wandering and keep seeking. You may never feel like you are "there" but to others, you are far more "there" than you realize and we appreciate you for that.
It would be truly wonderful if other people can see some of the roads I've travelled and take courage and encouragement that they can do the same along their own journeys. That is one of the things I mean when I talk about my creativity. But I used the term amateur fairly carefully, because part of my shadow is that there is always something I hold back, that I reserve - I never go all in with all the cards in my hand. That is part of my nature, and maybe part of my dark shadow? I don't know.

What I would say is that I have few regrets about the paths I've trodden and if others follow the flattened grass of my tracks, they will find wonders - they aren't mine though, but more like a discovery of the sun in a new sky.

Great topic anyways. :)
It is - it's quite a journey :). Thank you Asa <3
 
This touches on some of the articles I've read about the Golden Shadow –– good aspects of your personality that you were scolded or bullied to hide because they weren't appropriate in the eyes of those you were surrounded by even though they are positive aspects of your being.

In this case, you need to find the people who will support that gentler and more affectionate side of you.
<3

I got recommended a video today, that reminded me of this very thing. It's Jung's interpretation of Ni, so it seems apropos to the discussion, and it hit me hard to the point of tears. His words have been true of my experience, and I know they've been true of other Ni dominants.


(Please ignore one of the video typos, as I think the content is more important-- I struggled not to stare at it too.. >.>' lol)
 
Thanks for the link @Anomaly! Also, apologies to everyone I haven't been replying to yet in this thread I authored. Life is weird right now. I will reply. :)
 
I want everyone to ponder that the Golden Shadow isn't something outside of you, foreign, that you aspire to be like. It's a positive part of you that you repress.

o in that case. it's along the lines of my wanting to let her out; my feminine nature completely. (I am getting tired of having to keep putting on my t-shirt to cover up this NPC thing i have going, which is scrub pants and a black tanktop. My family has this ability of causing me such self hate... that i am forced to pull a t-shirt...

o and there is the corset too... which is still part of the feminine nature. (because shaping.) I can wear it over the tank top and under a t-shirt... i would love to feel comfortable enough to wear the corset as the top... but with an overbust. However, i still have to rework my diet on this.

:D so really it all boils down to my feminine aspect. (which i am constantly and consistantly working on.)
 
Jung described the Golden Shadow as our submerged creative potential. It is our hidden greatness. The qualities we admire in others, our idols and heroes, often represent aspects of our golden shadow. The people we admire, celebrities who cameo in our dreams, our mentors, and our dreams and goals for our lives all link to the golden shadow. Healing, personal development, positive growth, and strength are all linked to the golden shadow, too.


So, let's talk about our golden shadows, who and what we would like to be, who we admire, and the steps we take, or can take, to develop this positive shadow and become who we really want to be.

Yehoshua bin-nun
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A character from the Bible, famously known for using spies and peculiar tactics, like silently walking around the enemy's walls repeatedly while being laughed at and taunted, to conquer Jericho. Famous quote: "Are you friend or foe?"

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Charles Mingus
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Mostly known for being merely a "great jazz bassist", Mingus is actually [and I forgot the name of the important critic who proclaimed this] one of the greatest and most misunderstood music composers of the 20th-century. I was an instant fan of his work at the age of twelve. And since then, and learning as much as I could about his life, work, background, struggles, creative bravery, and perspective, at every stage in my life, for some reason, Mingus keeps popping back up. But not as a "hero", but as some 'ghost from the past and my shadow' who reminds me what it is like to be...well...like that. He made all of that happen, the compositions, the band leadership, the recordings, the experimental and innovative risks. He aspired to be like his idol, Duke Ellington, who raised jazz and swing music to an equivalent cultural level of appreciation on par with the great classical and symphonic works. This also made Duke Ellington uncommonly popular(for his time, in pre-Civil Rights Era America) and well respected as an artist and composer by all races (e.g. the wildly popular piece "Take the 'A' Train"). Mingus had a much rougher road and at every turn was misunderstood, while he at times struggled to even find a place to live and keep working. However, I've grown to realize, through Mingus, that the misunderstandings can be used as a source of inspiration to be even bolder and more creative and let the work live on and speak for itself. In my life, his work has certainly spoke to me. And I'm not the only one who recognizes what he did as reaching even further than Ellington, and in to territory, that is even still not recognized, up there with some of the more iconic artists. If one could presume that Ellington's genius was appreciated because of it's element of "cultural assimilation" beneath the surface, then I would say that Mingus simply was a genius who gave cultural considerations the middle finger to take jazz to an entirely different level. He didn't need to be Ellington; he just needed to keep doing his thing.

And I'm not saying that I'm at all like Mingus and especially not nearly as good as he was at almost everything; I'm trying to best answer the Op question after giving it some thought about a 'Golden Shadow'. And so, psychologically, down there somewhere, yes, Joshua son of Nun and Charles Mingus come up a lot in those unconscious/personal moments of seeing "a light in a sea of shadows" within my psyche.
 
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Jung described the Golden Shadow as our submerged creative potential. It is our hidden greatness. The qualities we admire in others, our idols and heroes, often represent aspects of our golden shadow. The people we admire, celebrities who cameo in our dreams, our mentors, and our dreams and goals for our lives all link to the golden shadow. Healing, personal development, positive growth, and strength are all linked to the golden shadow, too.


So, let's talk about our golden shadows, who and what we would like to be, who we admire, and the steps we take, or can take, to develop this positive shadow and become who we really want to be.

interesting. I don’t know if I have a golden shadow. I see myself loving particular artists of a similar type on a constant, but those are simply when I just can’t handle life anymore. I wonder if there’s simply a point where seeing what we don’t have is important in those we love and appreciate deeply.
On that note I’ve seen someone fake a cognitive function and completely lose its archetype and I couldn’t help but simply stare at him in annoyance for faking it. I guess that’s where we simply just expect way too much from others and projection takes place. Poor guy really was trying. :disappointed:
 
This was in fact why I chose these guys - because to a significant extent they have become like symbols that I can project onto. It's very hard to see my shadow otherwise, and particularly with repressed positive aspects of myself there's lots of room for either over-indulgent wishful thinking or for selling myself short. Like you say, the real people will have been a mixture of good, bad and indifferent, like the rest of us - Augustine did put a lot of effort into making public his struggles with his dark side, which is one of the many reasons why he is such a remarkable guy.

The echoes that come back from my projections, and which I find set me resonating within, seem to be touching at least a part of the spot. It's so hard to disentangle it from my dark shadow stuff though and see what is actual potential, and what is just wishful thinking. What they all embody is an experience of the divine, and that is something I too, in my own small way and clouded by my dark side, have experienced deep within me - and that too I project, not just onto these special people, but onto the whole world. I guess that is the heart and soul of my creativity - but I'm really just an amateur.
You beat me to it. Lol