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I have known several people who have tested with a very high IQ and who are completely socially inept. None of them make a decent comfortable living. Most people I know have a much lower IQ then them but live a much more productive and functional life.

I know I have a fairly high IQ but I think it is other types of intelligence that I possess that help me to function better than the people I mentioned above.

I think Gardner's theory of intelligence is a much more accurate portrayal of intelligence in all it's forms:

Dr. Howard Gardner, a psychologist and professor of neuroscience from Harvard University, developed the theory of Multiple Intelligences (MI) in 1983. The theory challenged traditional beliefs in the fields of education and cognitive science. Unlike the established understanding of intelligence -- people are born with a uniform cognitive capacity that can be easily measured by short-answer tests -- MI reconsiders our educational practice of the last century and provides an alternative.

According to Howard Gardner, human beings have nine different kinds of intelligence that reflect different ways of interacting with the world. Each person has a unique combination, or profile. Although we each have all nine intelligences, no two individuals have them in the same exact configuration -- similar to our fingerprints. To read about the benefits of MI and for tips on implementing MI in your classroom, visit the Tips section. For additional MI resources, visit the Resources section.

For Gardner, intelligence is:

• the ability to create an effective product or offer a service that is valued in a culture;


• a set of skills that make it possible for a person to solve problems in life;


• the potential for finding or creating solutions for problems, which involves gathering new knowledge.

HOWARD GARDNER'S NINE MULTIPLE INTELLIGENCES:


1. Linguistic Intelligence: the capacity to use language to express what's on your mind and to understand other people. Any kind of writer, orator, speaker, lawyer, or other person for whom language is an important stock in trade has great linguistic intelligence.

2. Logical/Mathematical Intelligence: the capacity to understand the underlying principles of some kind of causal system, the way a scientist or a logician does; or to manipulate numbers, quantities, and operations, the way a mathematician does.

3. Musical Rhythmic Intelligence: the capacity to think in music; to be able to hear patterns, recognize them, and perhaps manipulate them. People who have strong musical intelligence don't just remember music easily, they can't get it out of their minds, it's so omnipresent.

4. Bodily/Kinesthetic Intelligence: the capacity to use your whole body or parts of your body (your hands, your fingers, your arms) to solve a problem, make something, or put on some kind of production. The most evident examples are people in athletics or the performing arts, particularly dancing or acting.

5. Spatial Intelligence: the ability to represent the spatial world internally in your mind -- the way a sailor or airplane pilot navigates the large spatial world, or the way a chess player or sculptor represents a more circumscribed spatial world. Spatial intelligence can be used in the arts or in the sciences.

6. Naturalist Intelligence: the ability to discriminate among living things (plants, animals) and sensitivity to other features of the natural world (clouds, rock configurations). This ability was clearly of value in our evolutionary past as hunters, gatherers, and farmers; it continues to be central in such roles as botanist or chef.

7. Intrapersonal Intelligence: having an understanding of yourself; knowing who you are, what you can do, what you want to do, how you react to things, which things to avoid, and which things to gravitate toward. We are drawn to people who have a good understanding of themselves. They tend to know what they can and can't do, and to know where to go if they need help.

8. Interpersonal Intelligence: the ability to understand other people. It's an ability we all need, but is especially important for teachers, clinicians, salespersons, or politicians -- anybody who deals with other people.

9. Existential Intelligence: the ability and proclivity to pose (and ponder) questions about life, death, and ultimate realities.
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I would score very low on some of these and very high on others, like everyone else.

My son has learning dissabilities so reading and writing has always been a challenge but math and physics are easy for him. He could never explain how he got the answers to the math problems, he could just see the answer but using language to explain was impossible. Everybody has strengths and weaknesses. A friend of mine is an absolute genius at fixing anything and at inventing things but don't ask him about money and keeping track of it because that goes right over his head.
 
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Yikes. Thanks for the heads up.



There was this one guy in my schools who got dragged out of second grade one day and walked down to first grade. He never did the class work, he just sat and stared out the window all day. He stayed in first and got back into second grade the next year. A while later he was in Gifted And Talented Education classes and the Young Astronauts program. I'm under the impression the pitfalls of high iq they mention in the article are very real.
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To teach someone with a high IQ, you need someone with a high IQ teaching. Someone who can recognize how a person learns. Unfortunately most of the teachers in the system are just average people and the system itself is predicated on a cookie cutter like plan base. This isnt bashing them, just the truth.

In school, I figured out how to do just enough to pass. I hated school and I hated being forced to go. Looking back now it probably had something to do with my being an introvert. I just did not understand other people. Anyway in 8th grade they figured out I liked to read. I ended up in the advanced class before I knew it. Then they figured out I only did well when I was reading something I was interested in, so I ended up back in regular class. In 11th grade, right before I was about to leave school, I decided to actually try. I started getting straight A's and you can figure out how this went over with the school. Someone they were used to making D's all of a sudden making A's. I had many discussions with folks about that. All trying to figure out how I was cheating. Granted, I did not make straight A's in foreign language or math. But everything else was easy. When I went to college I took some of the math classes I failed at in High School again. This time I aced them, partly because of the teacher, partly because I actually made the attempt to learn the material. College was MY choice, not high school.

The school system isnt the best. Its designed to churn out kids, not actual intelligence.
 
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To teach someone with a high IQ, you need someone with a high IQ teaching. Someone who can recognize how a person learns. Unfortunately most of the teachers in the system are just average people and the system itself is predicated on a cookie cutter like plan base. This isnt bashing them, just the truth.
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It is true. I know exactly what that's about. That kid in my example was me. They would say something... Okay, got it, next! What's next? No, no such luck! We would spend an entire week going over something that took me .4 seconds to grasp. Is it any wonder why I went home and read Encyclopedia Britannica -not my homework? Then I'd get into class and stare out the window considering what I learned on my own the night before. Getting walked back to first grade really pissed me off, specially since I left grade school knowing more about the physical nature of the universe than any of the teachers/admin did. -a few conversations I tried to have with them made that very clear: can't talk to grade school teachers about the properties of light or where the solar system exists in reference to the rest of the galactic structure.
 
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That's exactly what I look like in the morning! Unless I stayed out late or something, then I look really tore up.
 
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I really want to take an IQ test. Like really bad.

Growing up I've always caught onto ideas really easily. My dad had me multiplying at the age of 3 and I was doing stuff you learn in algebra 1 in the 3rd grade. I always hated English class because I was just never interested in wrtiting stuff that I didn't care about. Granted I can write all day about stuff I like and actually enjoy it. I've run into some classes that I couldn't grasp the material, but they were few and far between. Now that I think of it that's only been physics and Management Information Systems. I'm just fortunate that in the 7th grade I started homeschooling. Probably the best decision my parents ever made for me. It was tailored to my learning style, and I did really well with it. Homeschoolers sometimes get a lot of flack for not being in the regular schools and the fear of falling behind, but I outscored almost all my friends on the ACT and now I'm a year ahead in college and still double majoring. Most of my "friends" that are my age are starting their sophomore year and majoring in one thing, or don't know what to major in. Next Friday I'll be 12 credits into my junior year for two different degrees. Sometimes it feels nice to be ahead of the game. And I've also been that type that doesn't have to take a lot of notes to do well on exams, especially if it's a class I'm truly interested in. Like my Econ 2020 class I took almost NO notes after the first exam and ended up being about 30 points above average on most exam scores.

I've very seriously considered just getting my PHD and being a professor. I have some teaching experience and I've done quite well with it. Probably would be a good carreer path for me.

My boyfriend, who is ENFP, is also VERY intelligent - much more than he lets on. He was homeschooled as well, which is fortunate. He has a short attention span but he learns things VERY quickly, so he can get bored with the whole repetition thing.

Sometimes I wonder if IQ can have a role in how talented one can be at playing certain instruments? like my boyfriend is an extremely talented guitarist, and I'm certain his IQ is somewhere close to mine if not higher.
 
drummergirlbk said:
I really want to take an IQ test. Like really bad.

Growing up I've always caught onto ideas really easily. My dad had me multiplying at the age of 3 and I was doing stuff you learn in algebra 1 in the 3rd grade. I always hated English class because I was just never interested in wrtiting stuff that I didn't care about. Granted I can write all day about stuff I like and actually enjoy it. I've run into some classes that I couldn't grasp the material, but they were few and far between. Now that I think of it that's only been physics and Management Information Systems. I'm just fortunate that in the 7th grade I started homeschooling. Probably the best decision my parents ever made for me. It was tailored to my learning style, and I did really well with it. Homeschoolers sometimes get a lot of flack for not being in the regular schools and the fear of falling behind, but I outscored almost all my friends on the ACT and now I'm a year ahead in college and still double majoring. Most of my "friends" that are my age are starting their sophomore year and majoring in one thing, or don't know what to major in. Next Friday I'll be 12 credits into my junior year for two different degrees. Sometimes it feels nice to be ahead of the game. And I've also been that type that doesn't have to take a lot of notes to do well on exams, especially if it's a class I'm truly interested in. Like my Econ 2020 class I took almost NO notes after the first exam and ended up being about 30 points above average on most exam scores.

I've very seriously considered just getting my PHD and being a professor. I have some teaching experience and I've done quite well with it. Probably would be a good carreer path for me.

My boyfriend, who is ENFP, is also VERY intelligent - much more than he lets on. He was homeschooled as well, which is fortunate. He has a short attention span but he learns things VERY quickly, so he can get bored with the whole repetition thing.

Sometimes I wonder if IQ can have a role in how talented one can be at playing certain instruments? like my boyfriend is an extremely talented guitarist, and I'm certain his IQ is somewhere close to mine if not higher.
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IQ tests aren't really that special for casual use, unfortunately; aside from the identification of intellectually advanced persons, their traditional use is in clinical situations where suspected disabilities or impairments are involved. They mostly test your memory, ability to detect and manipulate knowledge and abstractions, and your receptivity to novel situations. If you pick concepts up quickly, all the WAIS (Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale) will really tell you is that you are somewhere on the right side of the bell curve. Unless it was recently updated, I believe the test has a ceiling of 160, meaning that it cannot discriminate between individuals of higher intellectual ability. If you really want to know where you fall, though, your college may offer IQ tests for free or at a reduced cost through the counseling or testing center.

That said, there's a hefty correlation between IQ score and learning rate, as well as the time and instruction needed to acquire mastery of a skill or ability. Most studies plop the correlation somewhere around 0.6, although a recent study found that practice only accounts for a whopping 0.06 of the variance in time needed to attain mastery, suggesting that acquisition rate is largely inherent. I'm not sure whether one's IQ discriminates between musical instruments, though. Some folks just seem to have particular spheres of giftedness, whereas others' talents are more general and universal.
 
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Well, to be fair, we're all stupid and we're surrounded by stupid every day. Considering the amount of valuable information that we're voluntarily choosing not to obtain, I don't think it's too much of a stretch. This inevitably translates into any forum.
 
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Here, my man Stephen will speak for me.
 
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It's probably over 9,000
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How did this necro even happen?
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HAHA LOL :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:

It’s dat Day of the Dead juju still going around I tell ya. Makes us Mexicans hella attuned to the dead. Some weird juju!

Also, I could secretly be a medium! Ya never know.


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My life's two main influences: Bowser and Alakazam.

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I am literally Bowser.
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I think we have quite a few intelligent members here. But it might just be that I don't pay attention to the gormless ones. :D
 
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