Some Thoughts on Fi and Fe | INFJ Forum

  1. Disclaimer: I am NOT a certified typist, but have read up extensively on MBTI/JCF for several years.


    Whenever I hear someone describe their use of Introverted/Extroverted Feeling (Fi /Fe) in terms on expressing emotions and feelings, I usually have to bite my tongue; part of me not wanting to be overly pedantic towards a newbie of MBTI, and the other part wishing for them to realize on their own that there is more to these two functions than just "expressing emotions".

    Basically, Fi and Fe are about your values. Do you tend to derive them from societal norms and expectations, or do you prefer to rely on your own moral compass in most situations?

    Fe tends to be more objective , choosing to go with the general mood of the group, often at the expense of setting aside personal feelings. Fi is capable of doing this, but the key thing here is Fe is MORE likely to do this. They typically prefer to engage in a group.

    Fi tends to be more subjective; if they are not "feeling" the mood of the group, they'll most likely either see themselves out or speak up about their objections or why they just aren't meshing with everyone else. They typically prefer to engage one-on-one.

    None of these is better than the other, for they all have their situations where they shine and when they make people cringe. Fe shines when one gathers a group together in unified agreement over a tough issue. It sparkles when it is able to guide someone in a way that helps them assimilate better to society. It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, when it turns a crowd against a person/group of people in a malevolent purpose, oozing like slime. It is also quite abysmal when it comes to articulating emotions and identifying and naming specific emotions. Fi shines when someone takes a stand against the group that is in the wrong towards a person/group. It sparkles when it is able to assist someone in detangling and identifying their complex set of emotions. It becomes bitter when it lets its personal feelings get in the way of them/a group having a good time. It can be exasperating when one seems to constantly interject a conversation with their opinion, as if it is the only one that matters.

    Lastly, it should be noted and emphasized that we all use both functions, but have a tendency to have a leaning towards one over the other. I hope that this has enhanced your understanding in some way, and I appreciate all thoughts/comments on this subject.

    Thanks for reading!
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  1. Darc
  2. Darc
    I think that NFP's and NFJ's can seem oddly similar at times and it can be sort of hard to differentiate between the two at times. Oddly enough though, when I hear about objective feelings, it makes me think, sure, there's always specific moods going on the surface; but what about everything that goes on beneath the surface that one can not noticeable see? and it's like that with most people I like. There's always a separate side to individuals that the rest of the world can easily notice or pick up on.

    So no matter what one sees, there's always more then meets the eye to any given scenario or situation, and people are the same way I think. Extroverted feelings can seem a different beast to introverted ones at times though, I mean they almost seem to serve a different function entirely, but other times, not so much...

    It's kind of interesting to think that there are two such things, and I wonder perhaps if sometimes it's more cultural perceptions that creates this schism. (If you want to talk about harmony and mutual understanding) I'm-a fart fart fart there, here a fart, there a fart, everywhere a fart fart. 'Ol fart, fart fart, had a fart. Fart, fart, fart fart, fart, fart.
  3. CHARLATAN
    There has been a lot of confusion, yeah, on the subject of how the feeling function does and doesn't relate to emotion -- some of this relates to different definitions of the word "emotion." I think the simplest way to clarify these issues is to say that emotional reactions in the most encompassing sense seem to involve intimately cognitive associations -- that is, they're not just bodily pains/pleasures, but actually involve ideas.
    Thus, our rational faculties can feed and change our positive/negative reactions to things -- hence the process of deciding what an appropriate reaction to a situation is becomes a real thing we have to worry about.

    Overall, I've tended to part ways from the conception of e/i as involving collective norms vs individual, as I think it's too easy to envision people who are going to choose "individual" on both of their top two functions, and not be mistaken about that (not to mention, Jung actually typed people as having the same attitude on top two functions, and never seemed to do the opposite in the case of someone with differentiated top two, and in this case, Jung was going by something similar to the collective norms/subjective dichotomy).
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