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INFJ vs ISFJ

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  1. Serafina

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    What do you guys think are the main differences between an INFJ and an ISFJ?

    I'm definitely an INFJ, but I know a lot of people who are ISFJs that *think* they're INFJs and probably aren't.

    My experiences with ISFJs are they are very focused on the past. They can also hold grudges like you wouldn't believe.

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    Because ISFJs use their past experiences to 'figure out' people, if they've been hurt in the past, they come off as very paranoid. Or falsely attribute negative intentions to you.

    Other thoughts?
     
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    Well, knowing which processes your friends use most can help a little bit. The sad part is, until you're really comfortable in your skin it's going to be hell trying to pretend being someone you're not...and sometimes that translates into hell for others.

    The INFJ uses Ni-Fe-Ti-Se as their first four main processes.
    The ISFJ uses Si-Fe-Ti-Ne as their first four main processes.

    Si first means the person is "Reviewing and recalling past experiences and seeking detailed data" first. So if a problem comes up, an ISFJ will immediately think, "how did we do it before? What did it take to accomplish it last time?"

    Ni first means the person is "Foreseeing implications, transformations, and likely effects." So if a problem comes up, an INFJ might immediately think, "how will this change the present circumstance? If we choose x what does that mean for the future?" Or something like that.

    Von Hase has some really good theories going on, and I forget how it goes...but sometimes the combination of two processes can mimic strength in another, but it doesn't necessarily mean that that's the person's main use. We can use all the processes, but it depends on how strong we are with them.

    Ne can be a heck of a process for me to understand. I don't get it. But Ne is one of the fortes of an ISFJ.

    I'm ok with ISFJs because we both share Fe and Ti, and sometimes they can crack me up with the best jokes. When it comes to forward thinking sometimes they'll make sure I check my bases - and they can help me think about others before I surge forward with decisions. My frustrations with ISFJ usually stem with patience. I tend to be more patient, in some respects, and I know things will just turn out ok. They can get antsy when they don't see the outcome. It frustrates them.
     
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    This could help:


    All Idealists (NFs) share the following core characteristics:
    • Idealists are enthusiastic, they trust their intuition, yearn for romance, seek their true self, prize meaningful relationships, and dream of attaining wisdom.
    • Idealists pride themselves on being loving, kindhearted, and authentic.
    • Idealists tend to be giving, trusting, spiritual, and they are focused on personal journeys and human potentials.
    • Idealists make intense mates, nurturing parents, and inspirational leaders.
    All Guardians (SJs) share the following core characteristics:
    • Guardians pride themselves on being dependable, helpful, and hard-working.
    • Guardians make loyal mates, responsible parents, and stabilizing leaders.
    • Guardians tend to be dutiful, cautious, humble, and focused on credentials and traditions.
    • Guardians are concerned citizens who trust authority, join groups, seek security, prize gratitude, and dream of meting out justice.
     
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    ISFJs are way usually really good with interior design :D

    But no, really -- an ISFJ will be MUCH better at remembering names, dates, anniversaries, and other such details. This is Si at work. For INFJs, Si is our absolute last function, so we're usually pretty terrible at that stuff.

    For instance, both an INFJ and an ISFJ will have "martyr" personalities and will be very concerned with taking care of the needs of another. However, an ISFJ will expend more time on keeping with traditions, following anniversaries and birthdays, and more conventional means of "taking care" of someone.
     
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    http://look.net/success/ISFJINFJ

     
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    I do identify with some ISFJ things, but this clearly shows me that I am an INFJ
     
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    Lol, I've always known I'm not ISFJ :D The whole social-norm SJ thing never really was my scene -- NF at core, no matter what
     
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    Whatever Shai. INFJS may not be the most sensible,
    but you cannot write us off completely.
    I do hate math, though. You can't really apply metaphors to Math too effectively. :p

    In a moment of conceit...I am so glad I'm not an ISFJ. They sound pretty dull. No 'fense :)
     
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    Shai, I didn't agree with a lot of what you posted on ISFJ/INFJ. I know you just copied it from somewhere, so it wasn't *you*, but there was quite a bit I didn't get. All the INFJ's I've ever known have very strong J characteristics, and are almost never late. They've also been good with money, even if they do buy stupid things occassionally because it "called to them", they don't spend more than they have. That article made it sound like ISFJ's are parents trying to discipline a child (INFJ). I could see that kind of dynamic with ISTJ vs INFP, but not ISFJ/INFJ. My understanding is that the only differences between them are in the si/ni and se/ne areas.
     
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    I hop into the ISFJ realm when I'm hyper focused. I don't really understand that mind set, but I think I can empathize and envision it fairly well.

    The conversation was very funny:


    • ISFJ: What does a social ecologist do? Where do they work? How much do they make?
    • INFJ: You're a stick in the mud. I'm going to my encounter group
     
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    So what, am I a "thinking" INFJ then?
     
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    Well said! It makes INFJS sound like like underdeveloped individuals. Not so, not so!
     
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    Yeah, it makes us sound immature and out of touch with reality.
     
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    Quinlan Right the First Time!

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    Agree with you guys, INFJs aren't as out of touch as that and ISFJ aren't as anal as that either.
     
  15. Shai Gar

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    If any of you bothered to follow the link, you'd have seen that it was actually about SJs in general, and NFs in general. I copied it into notebook and replaced LEGALIST with ISFJ, and EMPATHIST with INFJ. I did that simply so you could tell the difference between the two, not to define either of you.

    Those who were attacking what "I said", were actually insulting themselves because of your lack of investigative skills, or thinking before typing.
     
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    I find that what Shai Gar copied very helpful. It shows what is important to ISFJ and INFJ. My mother is ISFJ (she did'nt tested, but 90% she is). Although in most things we have same attitudes (we both care for people, we don't like to hurt them and we try to be nice more than it's good for us), but when it comes to talk about things that make life rich and meaningful - than we start to talk in different languages sometimes. She doesn't understand my ambitous to achieve something more than just to work job for living. For me job must be somthing more than just job...She says: family and kids. I says: family, kids and one bestseller:)
     
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    Only the one?
     
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    For the beginning:)
     
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    What if you are all of those things?
     
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    Nothing is black or white...If you think about yourself, you'll see that you are maybe all of this things, but if you have to choose between two patterns of acting, you would choose one of the pattern.
     

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