Clinton vs Trump, Trump vs Clinton
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Still waiting for evidence to backup the stupid nonsense you spout off about....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Rogers#.22You_cannot_multiply_wealth_by_dividing_it..22
This quote appears frequently[9][10][11] on the Internet and is often attributed to Dr. Rogers with an incorrect date of 1931. In fact, the quotation is part of a longer sermon by Dr. Rogers' from 1984 in a larger series titled God’s Way to Health, Wealth and Wisdom (CDA107),[12] but it also appears as a passage in Dr. Rogers' 1996 work Ten Secrets for a Successful Family stating that "by and large our young people do not know either the importance or the value of honest labor".
Adrian Rodgers also said ""I believe slavery is a much maligned institution; if we had slavery today, we would not have this welfare mess." He is just another in a list of Southern Baptist fundies. Rodgers took the quote from this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_L._K._Smith
Smith was an America Firster and very active in the American Nazi movement. All I say say is: It figures.
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Hours after the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times published separate stories outlining the lies Donald Trump has told during his presidential campaign, Trump’s campaign spokesperson told ABC’s “This Week” that it isn’t the media’s job to factcheck the presidential debate.
“I really don’t appreciate the campaigns thinking it is the job of the media to go and be these virtual fact-checkers,” Kellyanne Conway said, in an apparent attempted jab at the Clinton campaign. She also opposed debate moderators questioning the candidates’ truthfulness in any way.
"https://thinkprogress.org/trump-no-factcheck-please-56950561d41c#.uc3fzd60n
calling the presidential debates a "debate" is it self an untrue statement. in my opinion the candidates should be calling each other on the truthfulness of their statements.
Hours after the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times published separate stories outlining the lies Donald Trump has told during his presidential campaign, Trump’s campaign spokesperson told ABC’s “This Week” that it isn’t the media’s job to factcheck the presidential debate.
“I really don’t appreciate the campaigns thinking it is the job of the media to go and be these virtual fact-checkers,” Kellyanne Conway said, in an apparent attempted jab at the Clinton campaign. She also opposed debate moderators questioning the candidates’ truthfulness in any way.
"https://thinkprogress.org/trump-no-factcheck-please-56950561d41c#.uc3fzd60n
calling the presidential debates a "debate" is it self an untrue statement. in my opinion the candidates should be calling each other on the truthfulness of their statements.
“That’s not my job,” Wallace said. “It’s not my job to be a truth squad.”
Chris Wallace cannot and should not call himself a journalist after speaking this sentence. If it isn't a journalist's job to fact check then whose job is it?? Don't have journalists as moderators have talking heads -- like Matt Lauer. I think we should see if Al Roker or Willard Scott is available
Chris Wallace cannot and should not call himself a journalist after speaking this sentence. If it isn't a journalist's job to fact check then whose job is it?? Don't have journalists as moderators have talking heads -- like Matt Lauer. I think we should see if Al Roker or Willard Scott is available
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Trump denies he supported the war in Iraq and claims he knew beforehand that it would destabilize the region and cause a power vacuum. He then goes on to mock the deal with Iran saying that they were about to "collapse" due to the sanctions imposed......which would ironically also have created a power vacuum.
He's an idiot who has no clue about what he's doing or even what he's saying (or has said) apparently.
He's an idiot who has no clue about what he's doing or even what he's saying (or has said) apparently.
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I watched the whole debate. I am not American and thus will not be voting. Truly ? I don't care so much who wins, only what happens afterwards. In my own view, there is no way that much power should be in the hands of any one person. I am British and we have a monarchy so I am not being a critic.
At the start Clinton seemed very nervous, she gave a lot of detail about her ideas/plans, for me ? Overload. Trump was much more assured, but very lacking in details of the promises he made. As the debate went on, Trump raised his hands a lot, and pointed and waved his finger. In body language this is symbolic for a club. High hands are a typically aggressive sign. He interrupted Clinton numerous times.
As it went on, off question he winced, grimaced and scowled, very often squinting, and looking down - my reading was that he was annoyed to be questioned or challenged by a woman. When he moved onto the 'Stamina' part this seemed much more obvious.
Clinton rallied after a shaky start, in all fairness I think she has been ill. She is a 68 year old who is recovering from pneumonia. Gender is not the issue, it could happen to anyone. Her hands were relaxed in front of her, then as it moved on? Open palms, hands at mid length, palms showing up. It shows there is 'nothing in your hands' it all looked natural, very difficult to manage or fake, probably subconscious. She did say she had prepared, but the body language looked unscripted. She smiled too much at times, trying too hard to be 'warm'.
Trump appeared quite unprepared and unscripted, which maybe explained some of the answers he gave, like "smart" about not paying taxes. As it went on he seemed less confident and angry, the hand gestures increased. Clinton appeared to grow in confidence, her remarks and smile seemed more natural and relaxed, less grimace more real smile. The longer it went on, the more it seemed to go Clinton's way. She relaxed, ignored the taunts, and came back with some humor (not her strong point). Trump is used to winning and looked uncomfortable, head down more often, less high hand gestures, slight air of defeat.
Perhaps it doesn't matter, but purely based on performance, I'd say Clinton did enough to claim the win. Trump never seemed to get into his full stride even after a good beginning.
At the start Clinton seemed very nervous, she gave a lot of detail about her ideas/plans, for me ? Overload. Trump was much more assured, but very lacking in details of the promises he made. As the debate went on, Trump raised his hands a lot, and pointed and waved his finger. In body language this is symbolic for a club. High hands are a typically aggressive sign. He interrupted Clinton numerous times.
As it went on, off question he winced, grimaced and scowled, very often squinting, and looking down - my reading was that he was annoyed to be questioned or challenged by a woman. When he moved onto the 'Stamina' part this seemed much more obvious.
Clinton rallied after a shaky start, in all fairness I think she has been ill. She is a 68 year old who is recovering from pneumonia. Gender is not the issue, it could happen to anyone. Her hands were relaxed in front of her, then as it moved on? Open palms, hands at mid length, palms showing up. It shows there is 'nothing in your hands' it all looked natural, very difficult to manage or fake, probably subconscious. She did say she had prepared, but the body language looked unscripted. She smiled too much at times, trying too hard to be 'warm'.
Trump appeared quite unprepared and unscripted, which maybe explained some of the answers he gave, like "smart" about not paying taxes. As it went on he seemed less confident and angry, the hand gestures increased. Clinton appeared to grow in confidence, her remarks and smile seemed more natural and relaxed, less grimace more real smile. The longer it went on, the more it seemed to go Clinton's way. She relaxed, ignored the taunts, and came back with some humor (not her strong point). Trump is used to winning and looked uncomfortable, head down more often, less high hand gestures, slight air of defeat.
Perhaps it doesn't matter, but purely based on performance, I'd say Clinton did enough to claim the win. Trump never seemed to get into his full stride even after a good beginning.
I winced when he said that. She won. She had him right where she wanted him.
Its ok. The virtual button probably was not able to register the change in pressure or any pressure for that matter.
My question is why did Trump not out lay the obvious? It would be easy to destroy Hilliary, he must know this and yet he did not. I dont understand. I really do not.
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It was interesting to watch, and thank you for your observations on body language, @James.
Truthfully, I don't think debate matters. Americans have already decided.
What I really want is a strong, intelligent, able president, not a situation that invites mockery, a 'lesser of two evils', or the heightened emotions and divisiveness that is rigidly dividing the people.
It is partially the media's fault, partially the fault of the parties, and partially the mentality of Americans. (Many) Americans don't understand that politics are never "over" and after the election the consequences of their choices matter. They're annoyed that all of this is happening, and can't wait to get back to watching sports, or getting ready for Christmas, or whatever it is people would rather pay attention to than the world's political issues that affect all our lives. America's choice influences the world political climate, yet many Americans can't be bothered to fully understand, pay attention to, or care about the situation.
Disgusted by this election season. Still care about this election season and its consequences.
Truthfully, I don't think debate matters. Americans have already decided.
What I really want is a strong, intelligent, able president, not a situation that invites mockery, a 'lesser of two evils', or the heightened emotions and divisiveness that is rigidly dividing the people.
It is partially the media's fault, partially the fault of the parties, and partially the mentality of Americans. (Many) Americans don't understand that politics are never "over" and after the election the consequences of their choices matter. They're annoyed that all of this is happening, and can't wait to get back to watching sports, or getting ready for Christmas, or whatever it is people would rather pay attention to than the world's political issues that affect all our lives. America's choice influences the world political climate, yet many Americans can't be bothered to fully understand, pay attention to, or care about the situation.
Disgusted by this election season. Still care about this election season and its consequences.
How did we get to the point that these are our choices? Why as the American people are we putting up with it?
He wants Hillary to win. He didn't prepare and said a lot of incredibly stupid off the cuff things, for example, he is smart for not paying federal income tax. (Way to win people over there! Guess that makes us working class schlubs stupid for paying taxes?)
I think that's what makes the situation especially worrisome for me, how much any decisions made here affect circumstances not only on a national level, but on a global level. I honestly welcome interest and concern about these matters from anyone across the globe, as I know how inextricably intertwined, and increasingly so, the state of any nation is with any other.
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-- I ask the same question every day.